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unbelievable ha ha tonight's gonna be

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one of those nights on the show for me

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and me being the film fanatic that I am

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and my excitement that I have an had

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over the the movie the endless because

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when at first when we first caught it I

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knew that the film was special but for

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me being in the position that I am that

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I am able to reach out to the filmmakers

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and and creators of something as as cool

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as this and to have them go dude worse

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we're so there right well it enables me

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you know just see a film on TV and go

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hey you know what I want to talk to the

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director you know and you just pick up

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the phone and the next thing you know

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you're sitting there wrapping with with

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him or her how they made the film and

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how they wrote it and why it was special

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to you and and stuff well I'm able to do

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that and it's crazy for me and and this

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film is really really great the reviews

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are in it's a huge hit but the film is

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about everything that we talked about

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everything that interests me and so and

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the the ability to pull all of that

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together for this show the way that I

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want to do it for this audience is is

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the coolest so it's gonna be one of

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those shows tonight I I already know

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it's special for me and if that

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conversation can can be as special for

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me as I think it's gonna be you guys are

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right there being a part of it and Wow

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tonight it

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is the endless tomorrow night fate or

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night Jon Rappoport is going to be here

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with there's no more fake newsroom and

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then we wrap another week here we go

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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who has announced that a flying death -

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside this way

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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year

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for kjc are the game changer network and

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kera the planet I'm your host Jimmy

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how are you it's good to be one of those

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nights night we've had an amazing week

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here another amazing week here on fade

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to black and tonight tonight we have two

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very special guests we have Justin

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Benson and Aaron Moorhead here the

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creators of the hit film The Endless

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that's right they're joining us for the

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first time so you know what that means

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but this film and I knew it when I saw

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it and read it turns to me and she goes

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all right you only get to do one show on

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this don't talk about it too much

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you know because she knew I the the film

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I just hit on all cylinders and so I did

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it's not as much that what what is

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important is that this film I mean I was

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checking the boxes right okay we've got

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that we've got that we've got that we've

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got that we've got that it's all here

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it's all here and then I watched it a

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second time

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and thought to myself the the subject

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matter of what's going down in this film

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was cool because I get it and I

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understood it and I felt that the film

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was made for me and that is always what

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this case filmmakers they may they're

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they do right what interests them well

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too as well so then I was on a mission I

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knew that I had to get them on this show

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from and that's what we're gonna do

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looked at the film a second time after

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look when when when the film touches on

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portals or time travel or science or

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UFOs or anything or historical events

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represent right and this film never

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stumbled it just didn't it just didn't

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stumble it stayed on point from the

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beginning to the end and the ability for

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me and I mentioned this to the fader

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knots and my little pre-roll on the show

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tonight on the bunker cam the one of the

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cool things about this show and me being

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me is that I'm able to and I'm in

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Hollywood and that's that I'm able to

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and get them on the show and be able to

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have those conversations and just

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imagine yourself being in the position

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that I am in which is if you were

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sitting at home and no matter where you

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are around the country and you you know

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really cool film like wow man that film

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was cool and then you just turn around

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the director of the film and have a

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audience and The Fader knots you get to

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participate in that and that's that's

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what is so cool about doing this show

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because I'm able to talk about film and

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time-travel and music and food and

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Captain Crunch and I really appreciate

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that too as well and and we all get to

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do this together so that's what we're

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gonna do tonight

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Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead are

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here the film is the endless and I know

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that many of you went out and watched

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the film because I told you to when I

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recommend something you you know that

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it's it's it's being recommended but the

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other part is

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you now know that they were gonna be on

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the show and so you had to go do some

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homework you had to go and get educated

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and you did tonight

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it's Justin Benson and Erin Moorhead

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tomorrow night is another Fator night

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Jon Rappoport is back from his road

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research so we will find out what our

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producer at large has been out there

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doing and that will be tomorrow night

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followed by open lines all night long

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little programming note I won't be doing

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coast to coast this weekend as you

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after the last couple of months of no

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days off and no weekends off whatsoever

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I needed to you know recharge and now

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I'm feeling pretty good so I'll be back

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hosting coast to coast next weekend and

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then we head into August which is

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between the other weekend's where Reid

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and I will be traveling and so there you

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announcements next week who what when

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ready to kick up again we did catch we

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there you go on stellar ons te ll AR

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it's really that simple and come and

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that everybody is posting over there

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it is so much fun to do and and a lot of

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reading article after article after

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smartphones to pre install Google apps

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on those phones Google required

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companies to do this so they could

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license Google's mobile app marketplace

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on those devices but Google doesn't care

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of course they don't seriously they

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don't in 2017 that's right last year are

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you ready

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last year the very same Commission the

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very same fine

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three billion dollars came down last

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year for the very same practices Google

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paid it they don't care and they're up

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for the exact same thing from the same

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Commission this year five billion dollar

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fine

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there you go alright I've been talking

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about this all week it is breaking news

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because it's really cool right now River

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moon coffee has a 20% discount on all of

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their offerings which includes our very

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own fade to black blend you get a 20%

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discount all you have to do is go to

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River moon coffee calm and use the promo

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code coffee break it's two words coffee

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break that's it 20% discount and you

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know and they did want to have me thank

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all of you so

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to do that right now thank you so much

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for the support okay all right let's uh

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let's let's get daddle right into the

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alright which includes that fade to

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black hat that we do not sell okay what

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time and station isn't on here in San

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Diego

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Jimmy Church radio calm that's where you

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get it there that's from hazard okay

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today Richard Branson

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Richard Branson is 68 yes virgin and I

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get all of that and Virgin Galactic and

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space trips and everything that he's got

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going on but that's not why he makes the

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list he makes the list because he

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brought us to Sex Pistols happy birthday

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Richard Branson also today one of the

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Great's System of a Down guitarists

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Daron Malakian today is 43 lives right

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here in Burbank

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by the way our dead guys birthday today

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Hunter s Thompson 1929 to 2005 died at

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the age of 76 his 1970 the Kentucky

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Derby is decadent and depraved article

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was hailed as a landmark in journalism

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one of the editors dubbed the new style

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gonzo and he had his own new nickname

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which did stick in 1972 Thompson's Fear

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and Loathing in Las Vegas became a

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best-seller as did his 1972 book

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and loathing on the campaign trail about

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the Nixon McGovern presidential election

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Thompson died at his home in Woody Creek

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Colorado on February 20th 2005 of a

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self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head

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he is one of the few that I've always

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wanted to interview and couldn't and the

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others on top of the list bill Cooper

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and Lloyd Pye happy birthday

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Hunter s Thompson on this day in history

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oh TD it happened 1984 I've talked about

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it on this show many times 1984 James

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Oliver Huberty opens up a fire in a

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crowded McDonald's restaurant in San

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Ysidro California killing 21 people

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wounding 19 others with several

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automatic weapons minutes earlier

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Huberty had left his phone left his home

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and telling his wife and kids that I'm

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going hunting hunting for humans on this

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day in 1984 fader fact I should hold

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this off no I'm doing it for Justin and

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Erin and okay I'm just gonna do it now

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I'll hit him with this during the show

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though the first film with a 100 million

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dollar budget was I'm gonna leave that

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up to Twitter right there let's see who

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pops it first and Twitter all right what

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was the first film with a 100 million

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dollar budget okay all right let's see

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who's first okay all right tonight very

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special guest we have Justin Benson and

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Aaron Morehead here the film The Endless

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is absolutely phenomenal it's it's all

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of that I haven't been able to really

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find a criticism for the film if you

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know what I mean I haven't been able to

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do that it's it's a really great picture

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you need to check it out it is called

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the endless the review

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are in go and check it out and we are

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gonna talk about all aspects of the film

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and of course the lives of Justin and

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Aaron in just a few short minutes

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tomorrow night's another Fator night

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open lines all night long and we've got

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Jon Rappoport here with his no more fake

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newsroom live now I wanted to talk about

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this as I hit that coffee there are so

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many reasons why I do what I do today

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there are so many reasons for that

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and as I danced through my man-crazy

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life colorful crazy and and went through

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the things that I went through to make

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me who I am today and you have done your

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things that made you you and I did all

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of those things and having parents that

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were musicians and living that lifestyle

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at a very young age and being exposed to

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the world like I was at a very young age

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not only brought the elements of music

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and creativity and art into my life but

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but it was UFOs and as I danced through

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and I went through an every chance that

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I got going down that road I would stop

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little roadside here little roadside

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there little to you a phobic here and

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experience and another one across the

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street and a friend and and I never

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stopped I never did all right

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kept UFOs right there and the the amount

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of there were there were in the 70s and

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in the 80s there were a lot of books

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that were available and there were a few

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magazines and I collected everything

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that I could I would walk into a

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bookstore go to the UFO section grab a

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few books put them on the counter buy

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them take them home

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and I did it constantly I did it at

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every phase of my life I was gifted

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books and I did nothing but the research

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and Omni magazine covering UFOs once a

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while I grabbed those issues and I put

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that into the pile and I would read and

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study read and study read read read and

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then a weird thing happened of in in the

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90s and it was called the Internet and

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I've talked about this a few times but I

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went and this was 19 in 1994 and I go to

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work for alesis and alesis when I was

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hired there they got me gave me a laptop

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and the laptop 1.0 okay this is very

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early out I had a you know a couple of

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desktop computers and things but at that

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point there was no AOL there was the

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internet signing on and getting a modem

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was a really big deal those didn't come

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with a computer and back then you had to

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get a PCMCIA card that plugged into your

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computer and he had a little modem jack

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that popped out of it and you can plug

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your phone into it and then you had to

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somehow sign on for whatever and and

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back then the laptop was used for

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company email and we used Lotus 1-2-3 I

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think that that was our email at that

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time so long ago and I had a black and

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white LCD laptop color screens hadn't

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even happened yet and so think about

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this so I got this laptop and I got this

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black and white color screen and and I

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start my quest and my journey to get on

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to the Internet and I had a couple of

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friends that told me how to do it and

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they came over to my house and we we we

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somehow configured and and found

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someplace to dial into sits

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so funny now but then going on in and

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and trying to find information about

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UFOs and that was my goal that was my

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goal and I was able to figure out a way

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to surf the net and the Mozilla had come

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out I mean mosaic

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I don't think Netscape was quite out yet

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but things were happening pretty fast

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but there weren't websites out there you

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know and you could get a web address

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somebody would give you a website

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address and you could type it in and go

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there and actually see a webpage right

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and it was rare I mean it was rare

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well anyway and this is what I wanted to

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get to as I was going through all of

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those phases art bell and and coast to

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coast is happening as everybody

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famously knows by now talked about it so

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much it was across the street from where

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I lived and literally across the street

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you can hit the coast-to-coast studios

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with a rock and not even have to throw

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it that hard right across the street

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well anyway back to my point during this

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early time the the revelations that were

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coming out on coast to coast am were

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were one after another you had Hoagland

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in the face on Mars and you had Bob

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Lazar Roswell was just creeping in you

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certainly had the mj-12 stuff and these

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one story after another was breaking and

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then there was Heaven's Gate okay

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and when Heaven's Gate happened the it

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was one of those moments that I saw it

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on the news I'm sitting in my living

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room and in my living room I've got a

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desk and I've got my my laptop sitting

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there and I'm sitting at the desk and

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and the TV's on in the background I've

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got the news on it I hear this the story

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break about Heaven's Gate and I turned

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around and and

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watch that and then I spun around on my

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laptop and looked up Heaven's Gate and I

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00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:33,030
was able to that night go and check out

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their website now this was mid 1996 1997

510
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and you have to remember what the

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internet was about and to have an a

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website those early days was a really

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big deal

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I go and there's the website and I

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started surfing and then it all came

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together for me the stuff that art bell

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had been talking about over the I don't

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00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:07,830
know it feels quite a year but certainly

519
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,530
he was talking about hale-bopp and and

520
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all of these elements about it and I'm

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00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:14,730
reading what's going on in the Heaven's

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Gate website and the fact that you know

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00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:21,179
40 people just died in San Diego and

524
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:25,760
committed suicide over a comet and a UFO

525
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:29,220
right well this was a really big story

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00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:31,950
and this was all part of what was going

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00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:32,610
on

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with coast to coast but the Heaven's

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00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:40,800
Gate story in it was was part of the UFO

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community because of all the elements

531
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:47,070
about it right so anyway this guy

532
00:30:59,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Marshall Applewhite headed a death a UFO

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00:31:05,540 --> 00:30:59,730
death cult and the story was so dark for

534
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:05,550
me so dark that after it kind of blew

535
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,710
over I didn't go back and I remember

536
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,720
trying to think about it or trying to

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00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:14,820
talk about it with friends I just didn't

538
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:17,309
do it if the story bothered me too much

539
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:20,880
and I didn't want to be with my friends

540
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:26,040
looked at like I was one of these comet

541
00:31:31,419 --> 00:31:27,890
hale-bopp guys

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so I had to let it go and and I felt

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really strange about it

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I remember going back like a year later

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and I think the Heaven's Gate site was

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still live and I went and checked it out

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and I went through and I looked at the

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videos again and I thought and now I

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read everything about Marshall

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Applewhite everything about his entire

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career and the things that he had talked

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about and and how could you get 40

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people together to believe in you to

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rent this huge mansion have everybody

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work for you and then just one day get

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talked into committing suicide how is

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that possible well it did happen I let

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it go and this was 20 years ago 20 years

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ago now enter the film the endless as

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the endless and we're gonna talk to

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Justin an arrant about this Heaven's

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Gate had such an effect on me that when

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I watch the film the endless and how

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these ideals and ideas about a ported

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UFO death cult or how it could be

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handled or how society looks at it or

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00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:44,450
how members would look at it is expertly

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done handled really really well and so

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when you go and watch the film the

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endless after you're done go back and do

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a little Heaven's Gate research and

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think about the conversation that's

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about to go down tonight with myself

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Justin and Erin it's really strange how

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life comes together alright pay

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attention to those synchronicities you

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never know when they're gonna come back

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at a future time like they are for me

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tonight

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think about that this is fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church I'm gonna

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narrative competitor the endless 2014

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Toronto International Film Festival

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favorite spring as well as the sleeper

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that tonight too as well that premiered

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at the Tribeca Film Festival and took

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the film festival circuit by storm back

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in 2012 their films have been widely

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acclaimed by critics and audiences for

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their naturalistic performances dreamy

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cinematography an Ave on guard approach

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in addition to massive video-on-demand

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numbers the endless and spring are

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certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and

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resolution remains 100 percent fresh in

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the wake of being selected as one of

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variety magazines ten directors to watch

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in 2015

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both Guillermo del Toro and Richard

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Linklater publicly praised their work

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now while the approval of a Linklater

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and del Toro accurately suggests their

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unique grasp of both character and

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fantastical the duo's films have been

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described as quietly mythic

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unpredictable storytelling that won't

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leave you after the viewing well now

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this is the thing they're also known for

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wearing as many hats as possible okay

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they do the writing they do the

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directing the cinematography the editing

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even the visual effects and in the case

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00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:46,720
of the endless which really floored me

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00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:50,110
they took both of the lead roles well

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tonight we're gonna talk about that new

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film the endless we're talk about the

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science behind the film Supernatural et

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cult time travel elements that are all

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the basis of the film

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:02,270
that they wrote directed edited and shot

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as well as playing those two leads you

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00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:06,950
need to check out this website that they

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00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:10,520
have got up it's called our multi or

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00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:13,910
multiverse Savior dot org and I laugh

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because it's a really cool parody site

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and if we can't laugh at certain things

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then why Eve and be here and I would

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like to welcome to fade to black for the

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first time Justin Benson and Aaron

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Moorhead good evening guys how are you

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we're good thank you so much for having

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us this is really this is really

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exciting to us now and thank you for

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being here and now the praise of the

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film and the fan boy stuff I'm going to

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try to ignore tonight and let's just try

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00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:45,860
to have a conversation but you're also

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both first-time guests so you get the

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first-time guest this Claymore which is

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this it's just you and I the three of us

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends both work Amanda's friends

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and it's that simple you guys ready yeah

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okay

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first so I know whose voice is who

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Justin say hello this is Justin I'm

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saying hello just to warn you this is

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going to be confusing no matter what I

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know right Aaron Aaron say hello to

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everybody this is Anne so we have

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00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,570
vaguely similar voice Derek is I knew we

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00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:26,960
were gonna do this right so there you go

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00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,480
all right I'm actually gonna start here

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00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:32,480
before I ask the the softball questions

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00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:34,610
you know how did you guys meet and all

746
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:39,170
of that which one of you had the et

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00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:41,300
experience first which one of you was

748
00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:48,470
abducted at the same time into the bosom

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00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:53,540
of cinema okay wouldn't that be amazing

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00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,910
actually I we talked about this semi

751
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:57,920
often and we both have neither neither

752
00:42:04,570 --> 00:42:01,280
of us have had any paranormal experience

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00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:04,580
that we can remember at all I think

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00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:07,400
right you know other heads I've had

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00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:09,500
stuff that I can't I've got a lot of

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00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:11,720
stuff that I can look at and I can I can

757
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:13,610
talk about it but I can't say that

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00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:14,030
there's not

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00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:17,870
some other explanation but but I can't

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00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:19,640
say I've never excited that there's

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00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:21,380
nothing even remotely otherworldly I've

762
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:23,750
never experienced I can't say that but

763
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:24,860
I've had a lot of things happen though

764
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:26,120
it's like well there's the student ways

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00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:27,710
look at either I experience the

766
00:42:36,610 --> 00:42:31,760
otherworldly or my brain did something

767
00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:36,620
funny well Aaron it'll be easier to if I

768
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:41,360
just say your names but but Aaron you

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00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:47,960
you wrote the film The Endless okay hold

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00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:50,150
on I knew that see I don't have notes in

771
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:51,830
front of me I don't I don't do the show

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00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:57,130
that way Justin you wrote the film and

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00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:00,260
the all of those elements that I have

774
00:43:07,150 --> 00:43:02,900
listed here that are involved in this

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00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:07,160
film involve a lot of research so you

776
00:43:13,450 --> 00:43:10,730
must have been a fan of this of the

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00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:13,460
genre all of it for a long time how did

778
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:17,450
how did you start this this journey down

779
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:21,440
the paranormal supernatural ET UFO death

780
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,480
cult Road I mean it goes back so far to

781
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:31,550
you know when I when I was a like when I

782
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:32,780
was really little when I first started

783
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:37,160
for example renting movies I really like

784
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:39,170
to experience the sort of roller coaster

785
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:41,180
through a ride of watching sci-fi and

786
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:44,030
horror films knows very little and I my

787
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:45,290
parents didn't have the belief that

788
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:46,940
watching like anything would necessarily

789
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:53,290
be bad for me and I think I'm fine but

790
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:56,030
but now the interest like a report of a

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00:44:01,450 --> 00:43:57,890
reason I gravitated towards those types

792
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:01,460
of stories I had an older brother that

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gave me a very large collection of

794
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:05,390
Stephen King books and that was really

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00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:10,400
influential and and then I think having

796
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:14,300
aspirations of becoming a writer and and

797
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:16,250
wanting to sort of write in that realm

798
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:18,110
of sci-fi and horror and fantasy and all

799
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:21,530
of that but at the same time being

800
00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:24,800
raised I was raised a theist and what's

801
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:26,900
interesting about that is that

802
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:29,990
I think that it made my brain come up

803
00:44:33,549 --> 00:44:32,180
with like you just invent more

804
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,559
mythology's because you're not

805
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,839
introduced to one or exposed to one when

806
00:44:38,769 --> 00:44:37,520
you're very young so when I was writing

807
00:44:40,569 --> 00:44:38,779
I'd just be like inventing these

808
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:40,579
mythologies that didn't have any basis

809
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:45,700
in any traditional spirituality and

810
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:49,670
which one was it Aaron that grew up in

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00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:52,970
San Diego again

812
00:45:00,339 --> 00:44:57,020
that was Justin again okay so Justin you

813
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:00,349
grew up in San Diego Aaron really quick

814
00:45:06,819 --> 00:45:02,750
where did you grow up I grew up in a

815
00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:06,829
town called Tarpon Springs Florida which

816
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:09,109
is if if you know Clearwater it's near

817
00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:10,130
Clearwater and if you don't know

818
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:11,750
Clearwater it's near Tampa yeah there

819
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:12,079
you go

820
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:14,680
I was just there a couple of years ago

821
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:18,770
okay so I was actually in Clearwater

822
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:20,660
well I stayed at amp at the airport and

823
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:22,700
then drove to Clearwater every day and

824
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:27,200
back yeah across that long bridge every

825
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:30,890
day so adjusting back to you how old

826
00:45:38,859 --> 00:45:34,760
were you when heaven's gate happened do

827
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:38,869
you remember it I remember it I don't

828
00:45:43,059 --> 00:45:41,089
remember exactly how old I was it just

829
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,069
kind of blurs into my entire childhood

830
00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:45,680
but I remember it when it when it

831
00:45:50,049 --> 00:45:46,339
happened

832
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:50,059
and my dad's a medical tech in San Diego

833
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:52,700
and yet a patient who actually owned the

834
00:45:59,049 --> 00:45:56,630
house that it happened in and it was a

835
00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:59,059
rental property he owned and I remember

836
00:46:01,930 --> 00:46:00,410
my dad coming home from work being ID

837
00:46:03,279 --> 00:46:01,940
yeah I had this patient and his thing

838
00:46:05,799 --> 00:46:03,289
happening on the news that's how he

839
00:46:07,299 --> 00:46:05,809
found out about that happen in his house

840
00:46:09,849 --> 00:46:07,309
literally was watching the news news

841
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:09,859
like that's my rental property and you

842
00:46:15,730 --> 00:46:12,109
know a lot of a lot of people have

843
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:15,740
passed away in that house did you kind

844
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:17,660
of forget about it and then maybe as an

845
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,089
adult go back and go oh wow that's right

846
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:21,920
that happened right here in San Diego

847
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:29,510
I don't I mean I I fortunately and

848
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,760
unfortunately I sort of obsess over

849
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,170
oddities no matter how esoteric I know

850
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,720
this one's not that esoteric but you

851
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,640
know like I would I

852
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:42,560
I never stopped going back to go visit

853
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:44,900
that website that's still up right that

854
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:48,770
that like that very like very very very

855
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,420
nineties website and I would always show

856
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:52,160
to people I think I introduced Aaron to

857
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:55,160
it no no I actually that was one one one

858
00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:56,870
of the few things I knew about but it

859
00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:57,560
was crazy

860
00:47:03,490 --> 00:47:00,890
yeah and see this is the other the other

861
00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:03,500
part now we're gonna start getting into

862
00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:08,060
the endless here as the story for the

863
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:10,340
endless came together did you

864
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:14,060
incorporate Heaven's Gate into it or was

865
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:16,310
Heaven's Gate the reason why you wrote

866
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:20,060
the film the two the two main characters

867
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:21,740
and the endless the characters of just

868
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:24,710
son Aaron the the guys who it who had

869
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:26,870
fled the cult a decade earlier those two

870
00:47:32,860 --> 00:47:28,220
characters are in our first movie

871
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:32,870
resolution and when we were making it we

872
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:35,930
had for a sort of story device reason

873
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:38,840
had added several weird characters in

874
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:41,180
the film that would give flavor and also

875
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:44,900
to serve the purpose of that oddly

876
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:46,850
taking emphasis off one particular

877
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:48,500
character in the film and without

878
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:50,570
getting too far into that I think Aaron

879
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:51,980
and I at the time we're just like oh you

880
00:47:58,990 --> 00:47:54,230
know it would be really interesting if

881
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:59,000
there were like basically a cult out

882
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:01,550
there around in the story and that we

883
00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:03,290
could just play those characters and we

884
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:05,360
wouldn't have to drive anyone else out

885
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:07,660
of the wrong know where we were shooting

886
00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:10,730
well and so they were that they were

887
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,830
invented right there and then we just

888
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:14,930
kept talking about the UFO difficult

889
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:16,280
they were in for years and years and

890
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:18,110
years and eventually the Heaven's Gate

891
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:20,330
part just all it became was that the

892
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:24,590
character of Justin that is where he he

893
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:27,110
basically was revealed as a lie later on

894
00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:28,970
the film that's where he got that

895
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:31,640
information from was it he'd he'd

896
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:33,560
probably we'd never say it out loud in

897
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,240
the film but it was like oh that that's

898
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,040
probably where he got that information

899
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:39,200
and and how where he found the elements

900
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:42,560
of that that why Aaron should we

901
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:46,750
consider resolution as part one

902
00:48:50,849 --> 00:48:48,910
it's interesting part one is the first

903
00:48:54,089 --> 00:48:50,859
time I've ever heard it referred to as

904
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:54,099
that but the film's completely exist on

905
00:48:59,579 --> 00:48:55,690
their own you can watch it not even

906
00:49:02,819 --> 00:48:59,589
knowing the other film exists I actually

907
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:02,829
what's interesting is with the release

908
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:05,260
of this the film The Endless people are

909
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,030
discovering discovering our work but but

910
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,920
they you know the the endless seems to

911
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:13,359
kind of linger with people in it in a

912
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:16,510
really interesting way and and then they

913
00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:18,190
find out that our first movie which was

914
00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:21,700
a tiny twenty thousand dollar film we

915
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:23,740
find out that that exists and exists in

916
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:26,800
the same universe and I don't know yet

917
00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:29,609
which order is better to experience them

918
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:31,960
people who saw a resolution five years

919
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:34,089
ago if they caught it you know 3:00 a.m.

920
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:37,000
on Showtime or whatever and they forgot

921
00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:39,130
about it it might be more interesting if

922
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:40,750
you then see the endless and feel like

923
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:42,520
oh I've seen this movie before this is

924
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:44,410
really crazy I don't know how that's

925
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,640
possible but there's also a whole lot of

926
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:50,079
people who are discovering resolution

927
00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:54,369
and and could almost see that as the not

928
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:56,380
a sequel exactly but more like a prequel

929
00:50:00,270 --> 00:49:58,510
to the endless but but but they don't

930
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:00,280
they don't exist in any particular order

931
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,190
and and on top of that they exist

932
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:04,480
completely on their own because when we

933
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:05,710
made resolution we didn't even know if

934
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:08,290
we'd ever get to make a movie again so

935
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:10,540
that that did not there was never

936
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:12,520
intended to be another movie and then

937
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:14,560
the endless is is a completely different

938
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:21,520
facet of the mythology so so if you're

939
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:23,170
watching the endless and you think wow

940
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:24,910
this scene is a little bit bigger than

941
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,500
than what I'm seeing right here on

942
00:50:30,359 --> 00:50:28,720
screen then good news there's a movie

943
00:50:32,819 --> 00:50:30,369
called resolution that might help you

944
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:32,829
out a little bit but but otherwise you

945
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,380
could finish read the endless without

946
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:37,119
feeling like you like you've missed

947
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:40,560
anything are the two of you I'm gonna

948
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:45,450
hand the so just answered that was there

949
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:49,599
I'm gonna ask Justin are the two of you

950
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,220
now dealing with big agencies are you

951
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:56,079
know are you are you taking those

952
00:51:02,170 --> 00:50:59,210
meetings are you guys you know

953
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:02,180
is you know the flavor of the month is

954
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,249
is it like being shot out of a cannon

955
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,160
not really I mean in the case of all

956
00:51:16,749 --> 00:51:13,839
three movies there there's always been

957
00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:16,759
you know some more meetings around the

958
00:51:22,509 --> 00:51:18,200
time that they premiere at the Film

959
00:51:24,729 --> 00:51:22,519
Festival or when the actual you know

960
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:24,739
official distribution happens which is

961
00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:27,170
very recently with the endless yeah that

962
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:29,059
there's always more meetings and that

963
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:33,440
there's always some opportunities but

964
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:37,940
usually I mean it's it's great if your

965
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:41,180
desire is as a filmmaker to tell unique

966
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,160
stories and and if you know if your

967
00:51:49,749 --> 00:51:48,079
point of making these indie films was

968
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,759
not just so you could go for example

969
00:51:54,099 --> 00:51:52,400
make you know King Kong or whatever at

970
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:54,109
the point was you really enjoy telling

971
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,700
you stories about human beings and you

972
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:57,200
want it to be innovative with the

973
00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:59,089
mythology and the sci-fi aspects and all

974
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:01,640
that stuff if that's what you did it

975
00:52:05,529 --> 00:52:03,470
there aren't a lot of opportunities that

976
00:52:07,509 --> 00:52:05,539
come your way that allow you to take

977
00:52:10,569 --> 00:52:07,519
that to the next level that someone else

978
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:10,579
is going to provide for you you need to

979
00:52:16,779 --> 00:52:12,230
continue to find ways to make that stuff

980
00:52:19,029 --> 00:52:16,789
kind of on your own for the most part it

981
00:52:22,509 --> 00:52:19,039
you know doing three movies it's almost

982
00:52:25,479 --> 00:52:22,519
like well each time the probability gets

983
00:52:28,529 --> 00:52:25,489
bigger that that more people know that

984
00:52:30,999 --> 00:52:28,539
your stuff exists you have clout and

985
00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:31,009
hopefully you've gotten some some fans

986
00:52:35,049 --> 00:52:32,900
along the way that are people that can

987
00:52:39,819 --> 00:52:35,059
empower you to do bigger projects that

988
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:39,829
you really believe in but but you know

989
00:52:43,569 --> 00:52:41,180
and in our case it's like if our

990
00:52:45,009 --> 00:52:43,579
ambition by making any films was to go

991
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:45,019
make a like a zombie movie for example

992
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:47,470
we could have done that six years ago

993
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:49,369
those opportunities have always been

994
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,849
there so it's yeah it's it's interesting

995
00:52:56,229 --> 00:52:54,710
it's like you know the movie comes out

996
00:53:04,359 --> 00:52:56,239
there's some more meetings but it's not

997
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:04,369
like it yeah it's it's it's uh it

998
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:07,940
doesn't change our lives a lot who who

999
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:10,630
gets who gets the last word when it

1000
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:14,920
to directing do you guys fight no it's

1001
00:53:21,509 --> 00:53:18,279
this really weird thing where if if we

1002
00:53:22,769 --> 00:53:21,519
did fight often we just wouldn't be

1003
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,779
co-directors we'd be making our own

1004
00:53:26,009 --> 00:53:23,440
movies

1005
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:26,019
and and and that seems like all the

1006
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:29,230
obvious to me but this is this is Aaron

1007
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:38,740
but the we we disagree it's rare but it

1008
00:53:42,269 --> 00:53:40,150
but it comes down to a fight

1009
00:53:43,769 --> 00:53:42,279
extraordinarily rarely the only times I

1010
00:53:45,509 --> 00:53:43,779
can remember fighting with Justin are

1011
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:45,519
like interpersonal stuff or it's just

1012
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:46,660
like yeah you spend enough time with

1013
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:48,670
someone you start you fight every six

1014
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:53,140
months or so at the very minimum but but

1015
00:53:58,220 --> 00:53:54,930
when it comes to directing choices we're

1016
00:54:03,120 --> 00:53:58,230
there's this there's this very intimate

1017
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:03,130
assumed respect of us both trying to

1018
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:05,500
make the same movie we know that that

1019
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:07,089
it's not like there's Aaron's movie and

1020
00:54:11,579 --> 00:54:09,670
Justin's movie and and what we end up

1021
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:11,589
with is in between that's not the case

1022
00:54:17,579 --> 00:54:15,400
it is very much us are we're both very

1023
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:17,589
much trying to make the exact same movie

1024
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:22,089
and so we're the disagreements come up

1025
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:24,369
about how to get there and they're very

1026
00:54:30,299 --> 00:54:27,220
rare and it's creepy to a lot of people

1027
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:30,309
especially our actors to just see how

1028
00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:33,609
much we don't disagree and nobody's a

1029
00:54:38,609 --> 00:54:35,799
pushover Justin's not a pushover I hope

1030
00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:38,619
I'm not a pushover it's just that we are

1031
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:41,289
both very very in sync we both love the

1032
00:54:46,829 --> 00:54:44,500
same stuff we listen to the same kind of

1033
00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:46,839
music and and watch the same kind of

1034
00:54:51,539 --> 00:54:48,940
movies and listen the same kind of radio

1035
00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:51,549
and we're intrigued by the same ideas

1036
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:53,619
and we're scared by the same ideas and

1037
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:00,579
so we on set there's not there's not

1038
00:55:06,299 --> 00:55:02,529
someone who's like the primary director

1039
00:55:08,609 --> 00:55:06,309
in the sub director it's it's just if we

1040
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:08,619
aren't finding it and we're really

1041
00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,630
disagreeing on something again which is

1042
00:55:14,819 --> 00:55:12,789
rare but if it happens we realize that

1043
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:14,829
neither of us have the answer there's a

1044
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:16,569
third answer out there that we haven't

1045
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:18,430
found yet so it's never a compromise

1046
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:20,170
it's actually always just two people

1047
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:22,670
trying to find the same point

1048
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:25,670
then Aaron if you're the cinematographer

1049
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:28,250
and the director then you get two votes

1050
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:34,250
right because Agra fee is is a beautiful

1051
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:38,900
craft and and also art but but

1052
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:42,260
ultimately the direction of the film the

1053
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:44,210
suma tog Rafi is just a service of the

1054
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:45,980
direction of the film that's at least my

1055
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:47,990
own my own perception and I really hope

1056
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:49,370
there aren't a bunch of cinematographers

1057
00:55:54,550 --> 00:55:50,930
crumpling their coke cans out there

1058
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,560
listening to me talk but but it's a it's

1059
00:55:59,890 --> 00:55:56,240
an art and it's a craft but it's always

1060
00:56:02,800 --> 00:55:59,900
in service of the end goal and and so

1061
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:02,810
you know if Justin tells me I'm doing a

1062
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:05,660
shot rum it's it's something we're again

1063
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:07,910
we're very in sync so if it's that rare

1064
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:10,130
I just listen for the most part I just

1065
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:12,530
think oh man I must be really blowing

1066
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:14,870
something and and and vice-versa he's

1067
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:17,090
right there I mean if Justin if Justin

1068
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:19,130
will hold the camera he'd be the DP so

1069
00:56:23,490 --> 00:56:21,410
I'm not I'm not sure if I'm buying what

1070
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:23,500
you two are selling right now I'm just

1071
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:27,770
I'm not and so then we can actually ask

1072
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:31,250
the same exact question when it comes to

1073
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:34,250
the editing I mean Aaron can you come in

1074
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:37,430
as the director and override Justin's

1075
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:39,470
editing decisions you know what I mean

1076
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:43,220
it's no well I mean absolutely to

1077
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:45,320
probably explain how we edit so this is

1078
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:50,450
Justin now yeah how we edit is we have a

1079
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:52,330
third editor this guy Michael Felker

1080
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:56,570
lovely lovely dude he edits while we're

1081
00:57:02,110 --> 00:56:59,810
on set and about a week after were done

1082
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:02,120
shooting principal photography he gives

1083
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:04,700
us the assembly cut usually makes some

1084
00:57:09,250 --> 00:57:06,740
discoveries we probably wouldn't have

1085
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:09,260
made because we tend to just edit the

1086
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:11,660
movie in our heads as we go because

1087
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:14,960
we're both editors and then and then we

1088
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:17,480
each take half of the movie and edit it

1089
00:57:21,790 --> 00:57:19,700
and then we trade halves and edit each

1090
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:21,800
other's halves and those change that

1091
00:57:24,550 --> 00:57:23,120
much they don't they don't change that

1092
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:24,560
much it's just like literally trimming

1093
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,450
at that point and and just doubled and

1094
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:28,400
and each person probably double checking

1095
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:30,290
each other the other person is like

1096
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:31,910
performance so X and they're almost

1097
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:33,740
always in sync and occasionally that

1098
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:35,150
must be a discussion of like hey why did

1099
00:57:37,610 --> 00:57:36,330
you choose this performance

1100
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:37,620
this one and you'll just talk about it

1101
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:39,180
it's not conflict it's just like oh

1102
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:41,670
that's it the the major decisions that

1103
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:42,990
you would think of when you think about

1104
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:45,840
making a film such as oh you inter cut a

1105
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,630
scene or you cut to cut an entire scene

1106
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:50,880
or whatever those decisions happen

1107
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,220
together for sure those know the idea we

1108
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:55,200
don't we don't do that before while

1109
00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:57,270
we're still splitting the project when

1110
00:58:01,940 --> 00:57:59,490
we when we trade each other's halves of

1111
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:01,950
the film we then combine it and at a

1112
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:05,610
certain point it becomes a very kind of

1113
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:08,070
a highly technical boring process but it

1114
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:11,700
is us in a room and an often involving

1115
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:15,360
our third editor Michael Felker and and

1116
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:16,950
just trying to figure that little bit of

1117
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,110
it out but the majority of it actually

1118
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,660
happens actually no the majority of the

1119
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:23,490
work happens but with Michael Felker our

1120
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,070
third editor and then Justin and I get

1121
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,980
it for a little while and and and make

1122
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:30,960
make the movie that we saw in our heads

1123
00:58:35,570 --> 00:58:33,090
as close as we can now I'm gonna start

1124
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:35,580
picking this apart and we've got we've

1125
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:38,700
got four minutes to the break and but

1126
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:43,290
there's one character and and I'm gonna

1127
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:46,680
point this directly at Justin the

1128
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,130
character that lives out by himself

1129
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:52,500
right that draws the maps that's

1130
00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:55,380
committing suicide right that guy yes

1131
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:57,660
what's his name

1132
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:00,960
oh that's Carl no you can just call Carl

1133
00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:07,020
right crappy Carl okay Justin be

1134
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,760
straight with me is that based on

1135
00:59:14,770 --> 00:59:12,000
somebody that you know also before you

1136
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:14,780
answer that that is one of the funniest

1137
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:18,690
characters that I have seen developed

1138
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:21,630
it's it's it's spot-on genius don't take

1139
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:23,940
that you know don't don't let lose

1140
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:26,460
control with that but it's a it's a it's

1141
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:30,420
a really amazing character is that based

1142
00:59:36,350 --> 00:59:34,980
on somebody that you know okay so no

1143
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:36,360
one's ever asked this is a great

1144
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,570
question so the character is a

1145
00:59:46,610 --> 00:59:42,540
combination of view things his wardrobe

1146
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:46,620
and the fact that this is an invisible

1147
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:49,890
that was cut from the film originally

1148
00:59:54,110 --> 00:59:52,620
he in fact we may have shot the line I

1149
00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:54,120
can't remember now and they've been cut

1150
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:56,060
from the scripted movie I remember but

1151
01:00:03,110 --> 00:59:59,760
Karl is someone who he used to basically

1152
01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:03,120
exploit the occupants of the different

1153
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,800
loops he discovered them found out they

1154
01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:07,680
were stuck and he would go from Luke -

1155
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:10,620
Luke basically overcharging them for

1156
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:14,400
things we shouted I cut it overcharging

1157
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:17,460
them for things and and he was a friend

1158
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:20,940
of of Chris the quote-unquote gun nut

1159
01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:23,490
Tweaker and since he was friends with

1160
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:26,820
Chris and we knew that about him and and

1161
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:28,980
he was someone that was invented during

1162
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:31,650
an improvisation and rehearsal in 2012

1163
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:33,030
and our first movie resolution with the

1164
01:00:37,610 --> 01:00:35,670
actor playing Chris said he doesn't

1165
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:37,620
about Carl then he like broke character

1166
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:39,210
for a second looked at it said oh by the

1167
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:40,980
way I have a friend named Carl in the in

1168
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:42,090
this universe all right okay that's

1169
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:44,730
awesome and but but because of that

1170
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:46,170
because he was friendly gun nuts weaker

1171
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:47,790
and because he was this guy who had been

1172
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:49,380
exploiting these people in this horrific

1173
01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:52,110
situation I had imagined it was being

1174
01:00:58,070 --> 01:00:56,580
like the the sort of white trash thugs

1175
01:01:00,200 --> 01:00:58,080
who used to beat me up in high school

1176
01:01:02,770 --> 01:01:00,210
and that like that was his he had like

1177
01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:02,780
this is really dark exploitative side

1178
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:06,300
and and that and that came out also in

1179
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:09,650
his wardrobe he's wearing dirty sneakers

1180
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:13,200
dirty Dickies pants and like this ripped

1181
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,570
up crappy shirt and that was like what I

1182
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:17,040
remember like the guys who used to beat

1183
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:18,150
me up in high school with it looked like

1184
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:24,390
and and a buzzed head but but he on top

1185
01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:26,610
of that I thought when we were writing

1186
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:28,800
this movie I thought that that character

1187
01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:31,920
that was the one opportunity to do sort

1188
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:36,060
of heightened stylistic dialogue sort of

1189
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:40,020
the way that that like Tarantino rights

1190
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,450
dialogue and Roy Moore heightened scenes

1191
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:44,040
one guys I'm not comparing the way I

1192
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:45,600
write dog turns you know I'm not nearly

1193
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:48,570
that good but but I thought it was an

1194
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:51,150
opportunity to like to do that in a and

1195
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,650
I never been able to do that in writing

1196
01:01:56,090 --> 01:01:54,480
before because of the situation he was

1197
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:56,100
in because of who he was and because of

1198
01:01:58,820 --> 01:01:57,720
the moment in the film where you've

1199
01:02:02,270 --> 01:01:58,830
really gone down the rabbit hole and

1200
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:02,280
it's really become you know a dark dirty

1201
01:02:06,019 --> 01:02:03,390
Alice in Wonderland

1202
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:06,029
yeah yeah we get to get savage and

1203
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:07,470
they're all ready for like we were

1204
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:09,390
unfortunately too extraordinarily

1205
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:12,299
optimistic guys so a lot of the time our

1206
01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:15,569
dialogue doesn't get down and savage and

1207
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,579
and dirty but but there's just one guy

1208
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:19,980
who's just so nihilistic and done with

1209
01:02:23,539 --> 01:02:22,680
his situation that that we got to really

1210
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:23,549
lash out

1211
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:28,049
now with um with James's dialogue as

1212
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:31,170
Karl in that scene I've got a minute and

1213
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,460
a half and then we've got to take a

1214
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:34,559
break all right was that was that

1215
01:02:41,509 --> 01:02:37,950
written or was that part James too as

1216
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:41,519
well because it is some of the I was

1217
01:02:46,210 --> 01:02:43,140
like I cannot believe the stuff that is

1218
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:46,220
coming out of his mouth right now right

1219
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:49,079
Emily would do it yeah I don't want to

1220
01:02:51,769 --> 01:02:50,250
take a single thing away from James

1221
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,779
Jordan because when he walked in the

1222
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:53,460
room he he almost I mean he basically

1223
01:02:58,579 --> 01:02:54,990
got the part as soon as they sat down

1224
01:02:59,630 --> 01:02:58,589
right I mean he rocked it that said

1225
01:03:01,819 --> 01:02:59,640
though I also don't want to take

1226
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:01,829
anything away from my my favorite person

1227
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:04,200
Justin who did write almost every word

1228
01:03:14,059 --> 01:03:09,200
of it and it was I was a it was a a

1229
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:14,069
wonderful combination of of just and

1230
01:03:18,019 --> 01:03:15,900
understanding exactly what James would

1231
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:18,029
be delivering and James know like being

1232
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:21,480
able to read what what what Justin was

1233
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,670
going for with that dialogue yeah I can

1234
01:03:28,460 --> 01:03:26,880
totally get that Aaron and you have to

1235
01:03:31,279 --> 01:03:28,470
be straight with me it's a yes or no

1236
01:03:35,509 --> 01:03:31,289
question sure as you're reading those

1237
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:35,519
scenes with with Carl did you look at

1238
01:03:40,999 --> 01:03:37,799
Justin like dude where have you been

1239
01:03:44,059 --> 01:03:41,009
where where's this coming from

1240
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:44,069
I'll be straight no way then I that made

1241
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,130
perfect sense to me it's cool

1242
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:50,400
it is about as dark as it can get and we

1243
01:03:54,529 --> 01:03:51,990
all know what we're talking about here

1244
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:54,539
you have to see the film but it is as

1245
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:57,839
funny as funny it can be and that just

1246
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:00,900
shows you about my twisted brain but I

1247
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:02,490
wanted to ask about that first

1248
01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:05,940
so let's come back and our guest tonight

1249
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:07,950
Justin Ben sit in air in Morehead we're

1250
01:04:11,539 --> 01:04:09,630
talking about their film The Endless

1251
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:11,549
when we come back we're going to talk

1252
01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:13,750
about time loops and portal

1253
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an extraordinary part of this film I'm

1254
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you know Jimmy Church this has fade to

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black stay with us

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this is fade to black

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back to pay to black I'm here

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super Church our guest tonight guests

1324
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Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead we're

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talking about their film the endless

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it's been called mind-bending by variety

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heart-pounding by the farsighted

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hypnotic by culture crypt masterful by

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we got this covered ingenious by The

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Hollywood Reporter peer magic by modern

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and one of the best sci-fi films

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of the year talk film society the film

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is the endless and would you guys hear

1334
01:08:46,940 --> 01:08:44,200
that I mean do you guys start to believe

1335
01:08:52,620 --> 01:08:46,950
this about yourselves

1336
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,630
no we're extraordinarily proud of it but

1337
01:08:57,900 --> 01:08:54,880
but when we set out to make the movie we

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were just gonna go make a we wanted to

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make a movie that was important to us

1340
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:02,470
and we just hope that that the audience

1341
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:06,100
would would be along for that ride but

1342
01:09:09,210 --> 01:09:07,630
definitely when we started making this

1343
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:09,220
movie we did not think that it would be

1344
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,980
something we thought people would like

1345
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,600
it we thought it was a good movie we had

1346
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:16,000
a lot of trust and faith in it but we

1347
01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:17,650
frankly thought it was a little too

1348
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:19,720
weird to be something that that would be

1349
01:09:24,930 --> 01:09:22,089
actually embraced and it seems like

1350
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:24,940
everyone's into it did you either one of

1351
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:28,049
you can answer this but did you guys

1352
01:09:34,050 --> 01:09:31,359
listen to you know fade to black or

1353
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:34,060
coast to coast am or other late night

1354
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:40,900
you know conspiracy UFO radio yeah we we

1355
01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:45,730
love the show yeah we we had to do a

1356
01:09:52,410 --> 01:09:49,029
long drive in Texas across world Texas

1357
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:52,420
and moment at the last July there yeah

1358
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:53,770
let's July August

1359
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:58,000
no September fantastic fest yeah and

1360
01:10:01,170 --> 01:09:59,440
we're just driving through a world Texas

1361
01:10:02,850 --> 01:10:01,180
at night for about six hours just

1362
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:02,860
listening to Episode four episode of

1363
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:03,910
coast to coast

1364
01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:05,740
well hey you're missing the most

1365
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:07,900
important connection here there's

1366
01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:09,790
basically one of the very first things

1367
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:11,320
we have our worked on was a short that

1368
01:10:15,630 --> 01:10:12,940
Justin directed and I was the

1369
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:15,640
cinematographer and it's called a.m. and

1370
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,670
it's it's basically about a girl who is

1371
01:10:20,839 --> 01:10:20,320
driving in the middle of the desert at

1372
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:20,849
night

1373
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:24,570
and she's listening to AM radio and the

1374
01:10:29,839 --> 01:10:27,290
AM radio host starts talking to her and

1375
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:29,849
and that's it's kind of like a Twilight

1376
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:30,510
Zone

1377
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:34,170
esque short film that looks really great

1378
01:10:38,839 --> 01:10:37,530
know what we can redo it we can make one

1379
01:10:40,209 --> 01:10:38,849
feel right now you're talking to me

1380
01:10:43,069 --> 01:10:40,219
right now I mean this is actually

1381
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,079
closing the circle so this is incredible

1382
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:45,810
I think I know who could be the host on

1383
01:10:49,819 --> 01:10:46,440
the radio

1384
01:10:52,569 --> 01:10:49,829
is it is it you yeah you know I'm just

1385
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:52,579
saying I'll volunteer

1386
01:11:02,060 --> 01:10:58,380
I'll read read with you guys but because

1387
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:02,070
that that element of this because

1388
01:11:07,819 --> 01:11:04,110
everything that is is covered throughout

1389
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:07,829
the film is what goes on on not only

1390
01:11:11,569 --> 01:11:10,050
this program but coast-to-coast and it's

1391
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:11,579
been doing this for years and years and

1392
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,840
years and so the fans of not only this

1393
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:17,820
show but of the genre they go and see

1394
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:20,520
this film and I know that you wrote a

1395
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:23,010
Justin for yourselves you guys made the

1396
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:27,030
films for yourself but the audience gets

1397
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:28,440
that connection they're like this film

1398
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:30,420
was made for me and that's where the

1399
01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:38,369
magic happens yeah on the one hand the

1400
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:40,670
films we make they are very personal and

1401
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:44,340
we for better for worse have been

1402
01:11:47,629 --> 01:11:45,780
empowered to make these very personal

1403
01:11:49,459 --> 01:11:47,639
films and what I mean to say is that

1404
01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:49,469
we've never sound like we've ever been

1405
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,030
like provided an opportunity like

1406
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:53,280
someone was like hey what do you want to

1407
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:54,449
do I'm gonna write you a check they'll

1408
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:55,860
make your movie it's not like that it's

1409
01:12:01,220 --> 01:11:58,260
like it's like we're probably gonna have

1410
01:12:02,810 --> 01:12:01,230
like bussed tables and and and and work

1411
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,820
on commercials and stuff we may not want

1412
01:12:08,629 --> 01:12:04,320
to do things like that to like save

1413
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:08,639
money to make a film and since we do

1414
01:12:13,609 --> 01:12:10,679
that we are typically in a position

1415
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:13,619
where we have Final Cut we get to

1416
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:15,510
basically do whatever we want and we do

1417
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,400
whatever we're passionate about now that

1418
01:12:21,919 --> 01:12:20,159
said there is a part of both of us the

1419
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:21,929
whole time we're doing it that is we do

1420
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:25,590
want to satisfy an audience and and I

1421
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:30,000
think that we are we you know you hope

1422
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:31,770
that your interests align with your

1423
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:33,930
audience and

1424
01:12:39,710 --> 01:12:35,490
you also we've also never been in a

1425
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,720
situation where we felt like we had to

1426
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:41,460
do something we didn't want to do to

1427
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:44,430
satisfy a potential audience Sunday if

1428
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:46,710
somebody just tweeted out by the way

1429
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:49,080
that a Karl needs to have his own film

1430
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:55,170
I'm just letting you know yeah that's uh

1431
01:13:03,560 --> 01:12:58,260
that's a really interesting point he he

1432
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:03,570
really his part in the film was just so

1433
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:06,120
pivotal and and James is just absolutely

1434
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:07,770
incredible now let's get to this

1435
01:13:13,730 --> 01:13:11,010
time-travel stuff a time portal time

1436
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:13,740
Lube aspect of the film I'll throw this

1437
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:15,810
out to Justin first Justin since you

1438
01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:21,050
penned the film how did you decide to

1439
01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:23,460
incorporate this into the film because

1440
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:25,800
when you do do that you can start to go

1441
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:29,970
down that road now it gets complex you

1442
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:31,620
have to edit the film you have to have a

1443
01:13:38,210 --> 01:13:34,980
story that is now potentially going in

1444
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:38,220
loops and the science of time travel and

1445
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:41,910
time loops it's very very technical so

1446
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:46,410
how did you handle that Justin well we

1447
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:50,850
knew that we wanted to explore the theme

1448
01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:53,130
of basically not repeating past mistakes

1449
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:55,140
but that was one of the themes of the

1450
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:57,210
film and the time loop was a good way to

1451
01:14:00,710 --> 01:13:59,130
do that and we also knew we want to make

1452
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:00,720
a film that was in the same universe as

1453
01:14:05,450 --> 01:14:03,510
our first film resolution and again

1454
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:05,460
being very careful that you know we

1455
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:07,050
weren't making a sequel to a movie that

1456
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:12,480
that ten people have seen and and yeah

1457
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:14,250
and that's kind of like where the idea

1458
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:17,070
of loops came from because the I don't

1459
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:18,510
want to spoil our resolution ends but

1460
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:19,830
the final line of resolution basically

1461
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,110
strongly indicates that there there's a

1462
01:14:27,380 --> 01:14:25,920
phenomenon of loops going on so it's

1463
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,390
kind of like the concepts the conception

1464
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:29,760
of the idea and then in terms of writing

1465
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:34,050
it when I was writing it I just really

1466
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:37,020
saw it as something that if one were a

1467
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:39,510
physicist for example how there was

1468
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,980
probably a way to to explain what was

1469
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:46,140
happening in a map and the language of

1470
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:47,460
math

1471
01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:50,610
and at the same time that language of

1472
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,190
math would be describing a sort of priam

1473
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:56,880
primordial geological force that is

1474
01:15:00,650 --> 01:14:58,650
there in that area you know sort of like

1475
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:00,660
how people speak about like places like

1476
01:15:06,980 --> 01:15:04,920
Sedona right and and and it was also

1477
01:15:08,780 --> 01:15:06,990
somewhat based on Stephen King as a

1478
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:08,790
lesser-known book called desperation

1479
01:15:12,650 --> 01:15:10,410
that doesn't deal with loops but it does

1480
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:12,660
sort of deal with another worldly

1481
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:16,470
geology so there were all those things

1482
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,750
but I think some of the more interesting

1483
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:20,640
things that have come about then to do

1484
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:23,130
with loops and explaining it has been

1485
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:25,650
since the movie has come out we were

1486
01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:29,880
listening to this podcast by a podcast

1487
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:31,830
of Alan Moore who wrote The Watchmen and

1488
01:15:36,610 --> 01:15:34,710
V for Vendetta and from how a very

1489
01:15:39,650 --> 01:15:36,620
famous comic book graphic novel writer

1490
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:39,660
and and he was talking about his belief

1491
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:42,690
and I had to look it up just now to like

1492
01:15:46,730 --> 01:15:45,000
remember what it is but it's a basically

1493
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:46,740
a belief called internal ism or

1494
01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:50,280
eternalism or I think it's solid state

1495
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:51,780
universe theory is the other name for it

1496
01:15:59,650 --> 01:15:56,370
yep that that also links to a general

1497
01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:59,660
belief in Hinduism and ancient Egypt

1498
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,860
it's not quite hold a turn of them it's

1499
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:03,480
like eternal return or something like

1500
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:05,910
that general philosophy that often goes

1501
01:16:13,340 --> 01:16:08,370
through spirituality and it's just the

1502
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:13,350
idea that that if for example when when

1503
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:15,030
you pass away there is nowhere else for

1504
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,010
you to really go except sort of

1505
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:18,840
unconsciously back to the beginning and

1506
01:16:24,650 --> 01:16:20,820
that you're sort of unconsciously living

1507
01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:24,660
a very similar life over and over and

1508
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:27,720
and that in that this in a specifically

1509
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:29,370
we use the term eternalism I think it's

1510
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:34,560
somewhat supported by ideas in in

1511
01:16:40,190 --> 01:16:37,110
theoretical physics of time being the

1512
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,200
fourth dimension and that being and and

1513
01:16:46,670 --> 01:16:42,960
and that mathematically suggesting that

1514
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:46,680
we only experience time as as linear but

1515
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:48,120
it but actually times this very

1516
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,310
complicated patchwork of of events

1517
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:54,300
that's much more complicated than the

1518
01:17:00,319 --> 01:16:58,170
way we experience it but but yeah those

1519
01:17:05,899 --> 01:17:00,329
are those are some thoughts on it

1520
01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:05,909
do you have well did you go and research

1521
01:17:10,879 --> 01:17:08,260
speaking to Justin right now Aaron you

1522
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:10,889
can jump in but just say it's Aaron okay

1523
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:13,739
but Justin did you go and look at

1524
01:17:22,770 --> 01:17:18,249
specific cases of time travel from the

1525
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:22,780
past like maybe John Peter or do some

1526
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:26,409
research in to some of the physicists

1527
01:17:32,370 --> 01:17:28,210
and theoretical physicists that deal

1528
01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:32,380
with time travel money our next movie

1529
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:34,360
has this really famous quote by Einstein

1530
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:35,710
in it I'm probably gonna butcher it but

1531
01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:38,010
it was a basically a letter written to

1532
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:39,880
his buddy's Widow

1533
01:17:43,379 --> 01:17:41,800
and then the letter said something like

1534
01:17:45,689 --> 01:17:43,389
this it was like you know we're

1535
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:45,699
obviously both mourning for your husband

1536
01:17:51,930 --> 01:17:47,050
and I'm very sorry very sincerely sorry

1537
01:17:54,839 --> 01:17:51,940
for your loss but your husband as a

1538
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:54,849
physicist knew as I did that time is a

1539
01:17:58,529 --> 01:17:57,489
stubbornly persistent illusion I think

1540
01:18:00,299 --> 01:17:58,539
that's right actually yeah it's

1541
01:18:01,109 --> 01:18:00,309
something like that yeah the idea is

1542
01:18:03,299 --> 01:18:01,119
this

1543
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:03,309
because by John Titor didn't really

1544
01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:05,170
didn't really factor into it because the

1545
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:07,630
movies not quite time travel and weirdly

1546
01:18:12,089 --> 01:18:09,369
time loops and time travel have a

1547
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:12,099
shockingly small amount narrative Lee to

1548
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,570
do with each other and I say narrative

1549
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:16,320
Lee meaning just in the language of film

1550
01:18:27,899 --> 01:18:20,139
but the oh this is Aaron by the way

1551
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,909
sorry but the the idea of that we think

1552
01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:29,679
about time and actually some of the ways

1553
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:33,340
that we're able to even emotionally cope

1554
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:35,050
with the passage of time which is

1555
01:18:37,859 --> 01:18:36,369
something that all of our movies really

1556
01:18:42,299 --> 01:18:37,869
deal with and all of our future movies

1557
01:18:43,589 --> 01:18:42,309
deal with is the some somebody wants to

1558
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:43,599
put it is probably Alan Moore in that

1559
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:45,570
podcast but it's somebody once put it is

1560
01:18:55,049 --> 01:18:51,179
we humans see time as us being in a

1561
01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:55,059
convertible driving past buildings in a

1562
01:18:59,939 --> 01:18:56,920
straight line you know that's that's the

1563
01:19:01,680 --> 01:18:59,949
passage of time and because we don't see

1564
01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:01,690
the buildings anymore we imagine that

1565
01:19:06,989 --> 01:19:04,630
they just crumbled into dust right right

1566
01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:06,999
and and that's ridiculous because we

1567
01:19:11,339 --> 01:19:08,619
understand as humans what object

1568
01:19:12,860 --> 01:19:11,349
permanence is because we are older than

1569
01:19:15,740 --> 01:19:12,870
five years old

1570
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:15,750
and and and if we can understand that as

1571
01:19:19,460 --> 01:19:18,300
humans in the third dimension we should

1572
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:19,470
be able to understand in the fourth

1573
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:22,290
dimension where that that thing still

1574
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:25,050
actually exists like it really exists

1575
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:29,610
the event still still exists not in our

1576
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:31,560
past but in something else is present

1577
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:35,010
and and that's kind of the philosophy

1578
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:37,830
that we subscribe to both of us me and

1579
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:40,500
Justin and and it's something that a lot

1580
01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:43,020
of our movies are written around but

1581
01:19:48,980 --> 01:19:45,660
it's also a way of emotionally coping

1582
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:48,990
with the fact that time will eventually

1583
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:51,300
pass to the point that that all this

1584
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:54,810
goes away well then there's another part

1585
01:20:03,580 --> 01:19:56,910
because you're right time traveling time

1586
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:03,590
loops are two different things

1587
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:06,390
it does get a little complicated but but

1588
01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:10,050
Einstein directly addressed the idea of

1589
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:12,420
time loops and I find that part

1590
01:20:21,740 --> 01:20:17,450
fascinating and then in the film when

1591
01:20:24,230 --> 01:20:21,750
one of you encounters the tenth I don't

1592
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:24,240
want to give a whole lot of way here but

1593
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:28,020
now we're dealing with either time

1594
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:31,560
travel or something existing from the

1595
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:35,040
distant past and in this case I guess

1596
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:38,340
it's the Civil War right am i right I'm

1597
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:40,890
trying to help it's it's around that era

1598
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:43,170
we imagine it was a little bit earlier

1599
01:20:49,190 --> 01:20:45,150
and more and more in like almost pioneer

1600
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:49,200
times yes okay yeah the point being it's

1601
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:55,260
from the distant past so now me as I was

1602
01:20:59,090 --> 01:20:56,940
trying to figure out as the movie is

1603
01:21:02,150 --> 01:20:59,100
going along am i dealing with you know

1604
01:21:04,190 --> 01:21:02,160
is this time-travel now going on is this

1605
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,200
parallel worlds that they're

1606
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:06,480
encountering in these little patches of

1607
01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:10,320
land out there or is it you know

1608
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:13,680
specifically time loops and all of those

1609
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:15,750
are left for the viewer to kind of

1610
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:18,690
figure out because we've got something

1611
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:21,510
now from the distant past being there it

1612
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:23,820
was that intentional

1613
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:26,130
what there I mean there's a there's an

1614
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:27,449
interesting thing when you're telling

1615
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:28,739
stories like this where it's like oh

1616
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:30,449
what information you keep in that's

1617
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:33,150
absolutely necessary for the audience to

1618
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:35,010
have a general comprehension of the film

1619
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:37,050
and then there's stuff that everyone

1620
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:38,639
talks about while you're writing the

1621
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:40,110
script and you ultimately leave it out

1622
01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:42,210
and decide it's not it's not totally

1623
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,000
important and and and so here's the

1624
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,800
thing that will clarify this for you is

1625
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:48,480
that you know that was sort of like

1626
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:50,760
Gandalf staff looking the geological

1627
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:52,980
formations like upside down slack ice

1628
01:21:59,180 --> 01:21:55,230
yep they'll form the borders of the

1629
01:22:01,220 --> 01:21:59,190
areas of individual loops and and

1630
01:22:04,729 --> 01:22:01,230
depending on how big the radius or

1631
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:04,739
diameter is of the literally the circle

1632
01:22:11,149 --> 01:22:07,679
that those those upside down select

1633
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,159
Heights form the larger the radius or

1634
01:22:14,899 --> 01:22:13,440
diameter gets the longer the loop is so

1635
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:14,909
the specific one that you're talking

1636
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:18,710
about that loop is contained within the

1637
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:22,170
the dozen or so upside-down slice that

1638
01:22:27,919 --> 01:22:24,840
you see around that tent right and that

1639
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:27,929
loop began you know and in you know

1640
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:30,329
pioneer times and but it's been

1641
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:32,130
repeating the same five seconds ever

1642
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:34,409
since that guy's been stuck and the rig

1643
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:35,940
and again the reason why it's so short

1644
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,239
is because they're literally the circle

1645
01:22:43,069 --> 01:22:41,280
of those upside those those upside down

1646
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,079
slack types is smaller and if you look

1647
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,360
at Camp Arcadia for example that's about

1648
01:22:50,569 --> 01:22:47,280
a ten year loop and it's contained

1649
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:50,579
within it you know those those upside

1650
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:52,170
down select ice probably form a circle

1651
01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:53,730
that's like or a diameter that's about a

1652
01:23:03,939 --> 01:23:00,060
half a mile yeah and the idea here is we

1653
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,949
actually wanted to just think of

1654
01:23:08,689 --> 01:23:06,719
immortality as both a blessing and a

1655
01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:08,699
curse and right now a lot of the

1656
01:23:15,879 --> 01:23:12,230
narrative of films when they talk about

1657
01:23:18,169 --> 01:23:15,889
living forever is that it's a curse and

1658
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:18,179
where I'm actually but for me personally

1659
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:20,310
for both of us actually the jury is a

1660
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:24,810
little bit out on that because you know

1661
01:23:28,879 --> 01:23:26,730
death of course creates this finite

1662
01:23:30,140 --> 01:23:28,889
point in time where all the the sum of

1663
01:23:33,049 --> 01:23:30,150
all the things that you've done get

1664
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,059
judged or not and you at least get to

1665
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:35,280
say okay you know I mean if global

1666
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,260
warming is all going to kill us or

1667
01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:40,080
whatever at least someday I'll just die

1668
01:23:45,860 --> 01:23:41,880
and it won't matter anymore or something

1669
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,870
like that and for us we were trying to

1670
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:48,060
create a fate that was worse than death

1671
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,270
and worse than hell and an attempt that

1672
01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:53,520
you're talking about is that that's

1673
01:23:59,530 --> 01:23:55,320
that's the thing that scares that that

1674
01:24:01,820 --> 01:23:59,540
absolute Dickens out of us is is

1675
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:01,830
something like being in that tent in

1676
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:04,770
that movie yeah for five seconds right

1677
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,120
over and over and over just a

1678
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:10,920
frightening thought I mean seriously you

1679
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,290
just you just contemplate that for a

1680
01:24:19,490 --> 01:24:16,080
minute and if there was ever hell well

1681
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:19,500
there that would be it certainly now

1682
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:22,050
okay so now back to this de Lac tights

1683
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:23,700
that's what you call them I you know

1684
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,450
what I thought they were okay all right

1685
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,580
okay I'm not gonna give away anything in

1686
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:31,440
the film but I'm gonna ask you a

1687
01:24:39,290 --> 01:24:35,790
question there's a scene when they're on

1688
01:24:41,300 --> 01:24:39,300
the porch and there's a little bit of

1689
01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:41,310
light that's coming through the little

1690
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:44,190
green glass circles that are everywhere

1691
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:47,580
that are hanging and at that moment I

1692
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,410
don't know if I was hallucinating or not

1693
01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:51,120
and I went back and watched it a few

1694
01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:53,790
times in the film to confirm this it

1695
01:25:03,860 --> 01:24:58,290
looks like there's the face of an alien

1696
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:03,870
in the glass oh so that was are you

1697
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:07,530
telling me that wasn't intentional no no

1698
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:12,210
no no no that's fun now I feel but I

1699
01:25:17,690 --> 01:25:14,070
feel bad saying that it's not you know

1700
01:25:19,130 --> 01:25:17,700
we're healing me and now it's me really

1701
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:19,140
disappointing people here this that it's

1702
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,490
not there okay so the in this scene it's

1703
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:24,960
you know they're out on the porch and

1704
01:25:29,660 --> 01:25:27,210
the you know the three moons are up and

1705
01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:29,670
stuff and it's just at that moment the

1706
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:32,040
the moon light comes through the glass

1707
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,110
you know the circle that's hanging from

1708
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:37,380
the tree or whatever and as it you know

1709
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:40,260
and it's right there and I turn to Rita

1710
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:42,780
my wife I said did you see that she goes

1711
01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:45,570
when I said there was there's et in that

1712
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:48,870
glass really I thought ah now I'm

1713
01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:50,360
starting to figure out this film

1714
01:25:56,979 --> 01:25:54,260
all right obviously I was way off but

1715
01:25:58,270 --> 01:25:56,989
but we went and I rewound it and I said

1716
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,280
lunch because yeah it's right there yeah

1717
01:26:03,459 --> 01:25:59,840
you're absolutely right so I didn't

1718
01:26:05,919 --> 01:26:03,469
imagine it and so there you go

1719
01:26:07,689 --> 01:26:05,929
so that is strange you guys need to go

1720
01:26:09,939 --> 01:26:07,699
back and look at the specific scene that

1721
01:26:13,540 --> 01:26:09,949
I'm talking about because if that's an

1722
01:26:16,330 --> 01:26:13,550
accident it's brilliant it's a some

1723
01:26:21,700 --> 01:26:16,340
things like that and it's not imagined

1724
01:26:24,129 --> 01:26:21,710
it's actually there it's a perfect alien

1725
01:26:27,729 --> 01:26:24,139
head with eyes and a nose and a little

1726
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:27,739
mouth and you know little green version

1727
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:30,290
of a grey alien face and it's right

1728
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:33,409
there in the glass oh my god I'm so

1729
01:26:38,859 --> 01:26:36,230
excited about this okay ordinarily

1730
01:26:44,379 --> 01:26:38,869
excited about this question for you yes

1731
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:44,389
well if you you do believe you have the

1732
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,010
belief that extraterrestrial life has

1733
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:48,560
has visited us they're visiting us right

1734
01:26:55,930 --> 01:26:52,639
now as we are talking yes okay do you

1735
01:27:00,660 --> 01:26:55,940
believe they are in that sort of

1736
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:04,209
yeah well the the short answer is yes of

1737
01:27:12,189 --> 01:27:08,510
course the longer answer to that is the

1738
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:12,199
amount of life that is out there which

1739
01:27:17,649 --> 01:27:14,810
is nearly an infinite type of number

1740
01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:17,659
okay so when we look at our Milky Way

1741
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:22,280
and and we have you know potentially

1742
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:26,510
just with simple math 40 billion that's

1743
01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:31,250
with the be earth-like planets okay 40

1744
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,630
billion there's a trillion stars okay so

1745
01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:37,520
it's just in our Milky Way forget about

1746
01:27:43,090 --> 01:27:40,060
the rest of the universe so how many

1747
01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:43,100
different life forms are on those 40

1748
01:27:49,649 --> 01:27:46,040
billion planets what if it's an easy

1749
01:27:52,810 --> 01:27:49,659
number like a thousand out of 40 billion

1750
01:27:54,729 --> 01:27:52,820
that would be more advanced than us by

1751
01:27:56,620 --> 01:27:54,739
ten thousand years or whatever it's a

1752
01:27:59,530 --> 01:27:56,630
you know these are easy numbers for us

1753
01:28:01,810 --> 01:27:59,540
to achieve well how many of them know

1754
01:28:03,490 --> 01:28:01,820
about this planet well the answer that

1755
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:03,500
the number is extraordinary

1756
01:28:09,220 --> 01:28:07,910
so you know you - you may sound alike on

1757
01:28:15,070 --> 01:28:09,230
the radio but you look completely

1758
01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:15,080
different and if if you the two of you

1759
01:28:22,090 --> 01:28:19,430
and then five other samples of people

1760
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:22,100
from around this planet male-female fat

1761
01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:26,210
tall short white yellow red black it

1762
01:28:29,650 --> 01:28:28,190
doesn't matter right and you went and

1763
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:29,660
visited another planet

1764
01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:31,780
they wouldn't even think that you were

1765
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:34,580
Earthlings you know you would

1766
01:28:40,660 --> 01:28:37,810
potentially be viewed as different from

1767
01:28:44,890 --> 01:28:40,670
different planets what if you took a dog

1768
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:44,900
with you right so so when you think

1769
01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:48,290
about that what could be potentially

1770
01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:50,840
visiting here and gray it could be a

1771
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:54,590
variety of things okay I'll throw this

1772
01:29:00,010 --> 01:28:57,290
out to the both of you did you hear

1773
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:00,020
about the press release scientific

1774
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:02,090
journal 40 different scientists

1775
01:29:11,290 --> 01:29:04,910
published paper white paper three months

1776
01:29:16,020 --> 01:29:11,300
ago said that octopus here on earth had

1777
01:29:19,180 --> 01:29:16,030
to have been brought here that it's too

1778
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:19,190
alien to have been developed here on

1779
01:29:27,690 --> 01:29:23,030
earth now think about the significance

1780
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:27,700
of that those eggs whole octopus

1781
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:31,390
actually came here from another planet

1782
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:34,910
you know and because it's so unique as

1783
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:37,250
to all the other species that are here

1784
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:41,530
well potentially octopus are actually

1785
01:29:47,770 --> 01:29:44,690
alien and this isn't me talking with the

1786
01:29:52,630 --> 01:29:47,780
tinfoil hat on I'm talking about science

1787
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,640
as presented this and that's an example

1788
01:29:57,130 --> 01:29:54,560
of another you know another life-form

1789
01:30:00,630 --> 01:29:57,140
that that could potentially be here and

1790
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:00,640
then remember the movie arrival yeah

1791
01:30:07,090 --> 01:30:04,910
okay octopus right uh-huh ya know for

1792
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:07,100
sure the design is similar i actually

1793
01:30:11,950 --> 01:30:09,110
it's funny i did read that article and I

1794
01:30:16,899 --> 01:30:11,960
also read how highly intelligent octopi

1795
01:30:20,859 --> 01:30:18,520
we're delicious and now they are

1796
01:30:23,290 --> 01:30:20,869
absolutely geniuses that I should have

1797
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:23,300
never eaten most of them are probably a

1798
01:30:28,109 --> 01:30:25,010
lot smarter than I am that's right

1799
01:30:31,089 --> 01:30:28,119
calamari is not a my diet anymore and

1800
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:31,099
and then you heard about the Japanese

1801
01:30:39,819 --> 01:30:32,840
octopus that was predicting the World

1802
01:30:42,370 --> 01:30:39,829
Cup so the octopus correctly predicted

1803
01:30:46,209 --> 01:30:42,380
the World Cup and then the night before

1804
01:30:48,220 --> 01:30:46,219
Japan lost they ate them in Japan for

1805
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:48,230
sushi and then they lost the next round

1806
01:31:02,830 --> 01:31:00,219
I see the future I see the future don't

1807
01:31:05,229 --> 01:31:02,840
do it but there you go

1808
01:31:08,739 --> 01:31:05,239
all right now I've got to head towards a

1809
01:31:12,969 --> 01:31:08,749
break so when we come back I want to

1810
01:31:16,569 --> 01:31:12,979
talk about the three moon part now that

1811
01:31:18,219 --> 01:31:16,579
the et has been removed from the glass

1812
01:31:18,989 --> 01:31:18,229
circle which I thought that there was

1813
01:31:21,549 --> 01:31:18,999
something there

1814
01:31:25,149 --> 01:31:21,559
you guys need you know what when you go

1815
01:31:27,219 --> 01:31:25,159
go back and watch that accidents like a

1816
01:31:29,729 --> 01:31:27,229
really good guitar solo you know those

1817
01:31:33,219 --> 01:31:29,739
accidents that happen in a good solo

1818
01:31:36,419 --> 01:31:33,229
turned out to be what people talk about

1819
01:31:38,799 --> 01:31:36,429
in the future that accident in the film

1820
01:31:40,089 --> 01:31:38,809
may have happened for a reason

1821
01:31:42,489 --> 01:31:40,099
and you need to think about that first

1822
01:31:44,830 --> 01:31:42,499
so you take a picture or a video of it

1823
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:44,840
and because I think we I think we all

1824
01:31:48,699 --> 01:31:46,249
need to see this yeah that sounds really

1825
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:48,709
cool and also you unintentionally just

1826
01:31:54,819 --> 01:31:53,209
quoted almost famous by Billy credit

1827
01:32:00,100 --> 01:31:54,829
goes a little kid and goes really about

1828
01:32:01,810 --> 01:32:00,110
music the mistakes let's take a break

1829
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:01,820
right here but it's really true when you

1830
01:32:06,339 --> 01:32:04,010
think about it it's really true the

1831
01:32:08,979 --> 01:32:06,349
mistakes that people remember right

1832
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:08,989
there you go our guest tonight Justin

1833
01:32:14,379 --> 01:32:11,630
Benson Aaron Moorhead creators of the

1834
01:32:16,060 --> 01:32:14,389
film the endless more of this

1835
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:16,070
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1836
01:32:18,540 --> 01:32:17,360
black on there should be Church stay

1837
01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:18,550
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1838
01:32:40,710 --> 01:32:37,410
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01:32:42,940 --> 01:32:40,720
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tonight Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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we're talking about their film the

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endless and now the success of the film

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what does it suggest I'm gonna throw

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this to Aaron Aaron this the success of

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the film does that does that indicate

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the the thirst for knowledge in in these

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subject matters that people are out

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there looking for this and and does that

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impress you you know we have everything

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going on ancient aliens and coast to

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coast am and and of the the recent stuff

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with a UFOs and the mass media over the

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last six months you know that they are

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coming to this film because they want

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answers our movie begins with a loved

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craft quote that talks about the fear of

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the unknown being the oldest human

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emotion and that is true we believe it

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that's why we open the film with it but

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fascination with the unknown is probably

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just as just as familiar to anyone that

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would listen to this show but also any

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anyone who watches movies or anyone who

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has a pulse really and I I don't think

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that I've never met anybody that says oh

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I don't like the Twilight Zone

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I like The X Files or anything like that

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things that things that tickle our our

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fancy and we've been taught either by

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you know trial by fire or actually it's

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just been said to us the audience's are

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dumb and we keep on getting surprised at

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how smart and sophisticated they are and

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how and how complex the

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subject matter they want to watch

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actually ends up being so the fact that

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the movie like the endless which was

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made on you know with a paper clip and

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some bubblegum and and a little bit of

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money and and was mostly just a movie

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that we thought was gonna be really

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interesting and we trusted that everyone

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else would as well but it's it's fairly

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bizarre without being full-on arthouse

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in any way it's it still got very

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commercial sensibilities the fact that

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people have been able to embrace that

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gives a lot of hope for not just movies

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and movie watching but just for the fact

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that people are still very much

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interested in in the unknown now I'm

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gonna throw this over to Justin and that

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is the rope okay one of the coolest

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scenes in the film there's a lot of

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really spectacular moments in the film

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but the rope sequence was very clever

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and also very original I had never seen

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anything like that the idea behind it

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okay so Justin where did that come from

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you know there's there's two primary

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objectives in mind and coming up with

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that scene one is is that you know you

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really want to give people the thrill

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ride of being frightened of the unknown

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[Music]

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that is one of the few ways you can get

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people into a movie theater to watch

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independent film when you don't have you

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know Jake Gyllenhaal or or Scarlett

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Johansson in the movie that took people

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in to get them in the theater the thing

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you can do that's in your power usually

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as a filmmaker is you again you can give

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that rollercoaster ride of being scared

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and there was something about that idea

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of playing tug of war with something

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massive in the distance and you know

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it's massive because the ropes going up

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into the air up into the sky up into the

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darkness and you don't quite know what's

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at the other end of that rope and now

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that that is true that is the objective

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there is is to given thriller

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to scare your audience and give them

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that that fun ride now that also said

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that it has that's something that's a

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way of doing that that is very cheap

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that is you know it requires a rope

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it requires the night sky and in our

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case I'm reluctant to say this a pulley

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and a tree and in your key grip pulling

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on a rope on the other end and then and

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then getting it and then Aaron crushing

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the blacks way down and visual-effects

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removing the trees putting some moons

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making it look like it's actually going

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into the way but but yeah it was it was

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something that in in our filmmaking

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toolbox and and also if if you know on

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01:41:31,210 --> 01:41:29,570
this very low budget movie of everyone

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left we felt like we did we could

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accomplish this we could do it it was it

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was something that we could execute on

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our own if we had to we actually found

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it to be much more complex

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I mean how to do it and we previously

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thought but but yeah it was that it was

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just it was try it was coming up with I

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with set pieces but that were

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simultaneously throwing and that and

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01:42:02,290 --> 01:41:59,920
well see now there are there word is

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scene to scene to scene act 1 act 2 act

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3 where the audience is left to their

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01:42:13,570 --> 01:42:10,820
own imagination and you don't know if

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01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:13,580
this is actually supernatural or

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01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:15,500
something strange or maybe it's in just

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in the camp Arcadia populations Minds

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01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:22,910
right you don't you don't really know

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01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:25,850
and then that rope scene comes along and

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01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:29,450
now the question is kind of answered for

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01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:34,210
everybody including you two as being

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01:42:38,980 --> 01:42:36,530
friends there that there is something

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01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:38,990
else going on here and it's a terrifying

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01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:42,170
scene it's it's really well done and

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01:42:47,980 --> 01:42:46,670
very simple but it's it now sits yes to

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01:42:49,630 --> 01:42:47,990
everybody that there's something else

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01:42:51,509 --> 01:42:49,640
going on and you've got to figure it out

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01:42:55,029 --> 01:42:51,519
as an audience

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01:42:58,359 --> 01:42:55,039
yeah yeah yeah yeah but there's a

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01:43:01,259 --> 01:42:58,369
there's also an interesting you saying

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01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:01,269
that made me think of this is that

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01:43:10,930 --> 01:43:06,760
typically in stories about cults you

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they take you to they you start to get

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01:43:14,529 --> 01:43:11,840
convinced that there's possibly

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01:43:16,209 --> 01:43:14,539
something otherworldly at play and then

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01:43:17,290 --> 01:43:16,219
it's pulled back as know that it wasn't

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01:43:20,859 --> 01:43:17,300
that at all like some good examples

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01:43:22,180 --> 01:43:20,869
would be true detective actually be a

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01:43:23,919 --> 01:43:22,190
pretty good example because they are

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01:43:25,509 --> 01:43:23,929
technically investigating a cult and

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01:43:27,819 --> 01:43:25,519
then be you feel like it's going to be

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01:43:29,979 --> 01:43:27,829
something supernatural and then another

2057
01:43:33,100 --> 01:43:29,989
good want to be like Kevin Smith's red

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01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:33,110
state the final moment it turns out that

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01:43:37,989 --> 01:43:34,760
the supernatural noise in the distance

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is nothing and nothing is the neighbors

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01:43:43,899 --> 01:43:41,420
it's not supernatural ty West's the

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01:43:44,859 --> 01:43:43,909
sacrament is marketed as being in the

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01:43:46,209 --> 01:43:44,869
key oh it looks like it's gonna be a

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supernatural something and you watchin

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01:43:52,839 --> 01:43:48,699
it's like oh no there's it's not that

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01:43:53,979 --> 01:43:52,849
and the leftovers is another one think

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01:43:55,419 --> 01:43:53,989
oh there's a cult in it they might be

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01:43:56,469 --> 01:43:55,429
reversing something supernatural as a

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01:44:00,279 --> 01:43:56,479
show goes on you realize it's probably

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more natural occurrence there was

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01:44:03,549 --> 01:44:02,210
something fun about flipping that and by

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01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:03,559
just leaning totally into the

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01:44:07,989 --> 01:44:05,690
otherworldly and that the cult is

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actually doing something supernatural

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01:44:12,219 --> 01:44:10,789
yeah because a lot of films of course

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01:44:14,859 --> 01:44:12,229
there's plenty of films where the the

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01:44:16,959 --> 01:44:14,869
supernatural actually happens but a lot

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01:44:18,759 --> 01:44:16,969
of the time you you kind of just assume

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01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:18,769
it because you're watching a movie you

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01:44:22,089 --> 01:44:20,210
know you're watching a vampire werewolf

2081
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:22,099
movie or whatever there's like oh yeah

2082
01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:23,329
you're in a world with the supernatural

2083
01:44:27,219 --> 01:44:25,190
is real and we wanted to make it our

2084
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:27,229
world where the supernatural is not real

2085
01:44:33,459 --> 01:44:30,110
and then all of a sudden something like

2086
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:33,469
it is and you truly have to deal with it

2087
01:44:38,529 --> 01:44:36,110
emotionally as well as in the visceral

2088
01:44:41,729 --> 01:44:38,539
way that you know it's not it's not

2089
01:44:45,209 --> 01:44:41,739
always benevolent well then there is

2090
01:44:47,529 --> 01:44:45,219
again for everybody listening to us

2091
01:44:49,629 --> 01:44:47,539
we're not going to give away anything in

2092
01:44:53,529 --> 01:44:49,639
the film I'm not going to do that as and

2093
01:44:57,459 --> 01:44:53,539
and so but there are elements in the

2094
01:44:59,259 --> 01:44:57,469
film as these things start to unfold and

2095
01:45:01,000 --> 01:44:59,269
I feel safe talking about this now

2096
01:45:04,450 --> 01:45:01,010
because I've seen it tweeted now about

2097
01:45:08,350 --> 01:45:04,460
15 times in Twitter which is the

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01:45:10,959 --> 01:45:08,360
multiple moons the three moons and when

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01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:10,969
that scene happens that's another time

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01:45:17,650 --> 01:45:15,110
where as as a viewer to the film you're

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01:45:22,209 --> 01:45:17,660
like okay well okay things are not

2102
01:45:24,459 --> 01:45:22,219
normal here right now whose idea was it

2103
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:24,469
for the three moons and where did it

2104
01:45:32,830 --> 01:45:29,570
come from I think that one was the

2105
01:45:37,420 --> 01:45:32,840
collaboration I remember what it was was

2106
01:45:40,750 --> 01:45:37,430
when Justin's character had left the

2107
01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:40,760
camp we needed something that basically

2108
01:45:49,660 --> 01:45:44,980
said there's a there's an amount of time

2109
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,670
at which this deal expires basically it

2110
01:45:54,190 --> 01:45:51,920
was it was almost a purely screenwriting

2111
01:45:57,550 --> 01:45:54,200
function originally where it was just

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01:46:00,940 --> 01:45:57,560
how do we know that they have to leave

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01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:00,950
now or else otherwise if the three moons

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01:46:04,630 --> 01:46:03,530
thing didn't exist then one is the

2115
01:46:05,890 --> 01:46:04,640
audience wouldn't be able to track

2116
01:46:07,810 --> 01:46:05,900
what's really going on

2117
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,820
and two is there's just no sense of

2118
01:46:10,450 --> 01:46:09,440
urgency there's no there's no need to

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01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:10,460
hurry

2120
01:46:16,209 --> 01:46:13,850
and so the phrase four is the ticking

2121
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:16,219
time bomb that that of course Alfred

2122
01:46:22,420 --> 01:46:17,810
Hitchcock has talked about you know the

2123
01:46:23,650 --> 01:46:22,430
bomb under the table and and I think

2124
01:46:25,330 --> 01:46:23,660
that that was the original conversation

2125
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:25,340
I don't remember who said it was should

2126
01:46:29,620 --> 01:46:27,710
be three moons around because he's

2127
01:46:31,180 --> 01:46:29,630
trying to figure out things that I knew

2128
01:46:32,650 --> 01:46:31,190
well there's several things at play

2129
01:46:35,470 --> 01:46:32,660
trying to figure out things that I knew

2130
01:46:37,180 --> 01:46:35,480
Aaron could could do with 2d compositing

2131
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,190
oh yeah and you would composite so many

2132
01:46:40,810 --> 01:46:38,960
moons into our movies it was like okay

2133
01:46:42,190 --> 01:46:40,820
well that that makes sense but beat but

2134
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:42,200
it's not just that they makes it sound

2135
01:46:49,570 --> 01:46:44,930
arbitrary the other big thing was it

2136
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:49,580
needed to be something that that you

2137
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,410
know for example when you think back on

2138
01:46:55,540 --> 01:46:53,840
your childhood and you remember things

2139
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:55,550
sometimes things are much weirder than

2140
01:46:59,380 --> 01:46:57,290
like you accept accepted them as a child

2141
01:47:00,729 --> 01:46:59,390
that you grow up and you think backyard

2142
01:47:04,209 --> 01:47:00,739
wait a second that was actually really

2143
01:47:05,229 --> 01:47:04,219
weird and it's seen and it you know for

2144
01:47:07,209 --> 01:47:05,239
example if you grew up somewhere where

2145
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:07,219
there was the Northern Lights

2146
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:08,510
and the Northern Lights weren't a

2147
01:47:12,130 --> 01:47:10,010
commonly known thing you'd be like wait

2148
01:47:13,660 --> 01:47:12,140
a second when I was little was a really

2149
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:13,670
a bunch of weird psychedelic colors in

2150
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:16,370
the sky right and then I moved away from

2151
01:47:20,710 --> 01:47:18,110
that I haven't seen it since

2152
01:47:22,270 --> 01:47:20,720
happen and then you'd go back and be

2153
01:47:23,950 --> 01:47:22,280
like oh I guess it did and someone would

2154
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:23,960
describe to you the science of heating

2155
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:25,560
like ok cool that makes sense

2156
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:27,410
[Music]

2157
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:29,330
three moons seemed like something like

2158
01:47:34,090 --> 01:47:32,420
that where you could you can just barely

2159
01:47:35,380 --> 01:47:34,100
make it logical that something else as

2160
01:47:37,570 --> 01:47:35,390
the movie I think he's like it's like an

2161
01:47:41,380 --> 01:47:37,580
atmospheric mirroring effect it's like

2162
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:41,390
okay I guess as an explanation the

2163
01:47:45,550 --> 01:47:42,110
Northern Lights

2164
01:47:47,890 --> 01:47:45,560
yeah well and see there's there's

2165
01:47:49,810 --> 01:47:47,900
another interesting twist here now I

2166
01:47:52,060 --> 01:47:49,820
didn't write the film I didn't direct

2167
01:47:55,810 --> 01:47:52,070
the film I'm on the other side of the

2168
01:48:00,940 --> 01:47:55,820
fence but is the second that the three

2169
01:48:03,130 --> 01:48:00,950
moons are revealed now it's not a local

2170
01:48:04,660 --> 01:48:03,140
situation it's not localized it's not

2171
01:48:08,370 --> 01:48:04,670
some phenomena that's happening

2172
01:48:11,220 --> 01:48:08,380
happening at camp Arcadia there is

2173
01:48:14,170 --> 01:48:11,230
something else going on here that is

2174
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:14,180
well it's off planet you have three

2175
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:17,510
moons in the sky and that suggests a

2176
01:48:23,860 --> 01:48:20,480
whole other possibility here as to what

2177
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:23,870
is going on not only at Camp Arcadia but

2178
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:27,890
you know in our lives in general yeah

2179
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,110
and it's something that that's one of

2180
01:48:34,780 --> 01:48:32,480
those fun things as filmmakers that we

2181
01:48:37,300 --> 01:48:34,790
we feel like we know what happened and

2182
01:48:39,390 --> 01:48:37,310
we we set down rules for ourselves and

2183
01:48:43,630 --> 01:48:39,400
made sure that the movie follows them

2184
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:43,640
and but we don't always explicitly say

2185
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:45,980
what they are outside of for example you

2186
01:48:50,440 --> 01:48:48,290
know at the end of the three moons is

2187
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:50,450
the ascension whatever that whatever

2188
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:52,010
that means and that's that's part of the

2189
01:48:58,420 --> 01:48:55,640
mystery of the film as well but but how

2190
01:49:00,820 --> 01:48:58,430
the how exactly the three moons happen

2191
01:49:02,350 --> 01:49:00,830
Justin and I have an answer for that but

2192
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:02,360
we we just don't like to say it because

2193
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,330
it's just it just it opens the mystery

2194
01:49:09,970 --> 01:49:07,280
box in a way that's not quite so fun you

2195
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:09,980
know for you as a viewer and for us as

2196
01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:13,730
the filmmaker and I want to talk about

2197
01:49:19,210 --> 01:49:16,060
the death cult aspect of it because

2198
01:49:21,610 --> 01:49:19,220
that's that's the terminology and the

2199
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:21,620
verbage that you guys chose for the film

2200
01:49:30,130 --> 01:49:24,530
very touchy subject you know a lot of

2201
01:49:31,770 --> 01:49:30,140
people died there is not only in society

2202
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:31,780
but in pop culture when you go

2203
01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:33,010
I can look at like something like

2204
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:35,860
Heaven's Gate or other situations like

2205
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:37,360
that that have happened around the world

2206
01:49:45,450 --> 01:49:40,810
you're getting into a zone here that is

2207
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:45,460
uncomfortable for many how did you

2208
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:49,690
decide to tackle that without you know

2209
01:49:54,930 --> 01:49:51,490
the blowback coming back onto you guys

2210
01:49:59,850 --> 01:49:54,940
and using that as a tool for writing a

2211
01:50:02,160 --> 01:49:59,860
film you know without without being too

2212
01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:02,170
spoilery with the answer I think that we

2213
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:07,600
ultimately felt like that there is a

2214
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:10,390
reveal in the movie that that you could

2215
01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:11,980
argue you're actually not necessarily

2216
01:50:17,730 --> 01:50:13,750
what actually watching a movie about

2217
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:17,740
ethical now you can argue this video

2218
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:20,290
every ways technically yes maybe in some

2219
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,710
ways but but in a lot of ways you're how

2220
01:50:29,550 --> 01:50:25,360
do I sort answer the question without

2221
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:29,560
spoiling it yeah yeah but but there is a

2222
01:50:41,070 --> 01:50:34,410
story reason why it doesn't ultimately

2223
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:41,080
it's ultimately not analogous to death

2224
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:42,730
cults from our real world here's a good

2225
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:43,300
way to play

2226
01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:45,130
maybe maybe another way let me try

2227
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:46,720
something else and I'm so sorry if I

2228
01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:51,100
misspeak here a death cult is only a

2229
01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:55,720
tragedy if if if what they're doing

2230
01:51:00,510 --> 01:50:58,930
isn't real you know what I mean like if

2231
01:51:02,010 --> 01:51:00,520
they're if what they're doing is is just

2232
01:51:05,970 --> 01:51:02,020
ending their lives and that's the end of

2233
01:51:09,090 --> 01:51:05,980
it in the case of this movie there's

2234
01:51:10,830 --> 01:51:09,100
something else happening but I don't

2235
01:51:12,210 --> 01:51:10,840
know how else to put it without starting

2236
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:12,220
to actually talk about the mechanics in

2237
01:51:14,940 --> 01:51:13,630
the movie because that's we're talking

2238
01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:14,950
about the third act at this point you

2239
01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:17,080
know right right

2240
01:51:25,860 --> 01:51:21,700
the I'm so uncomfortable even on this

2241
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:25,870
program talking about Heaven's Gate and

2242
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:29,050
and what went on down there because I

2243
01:51:35,790 --> 01:51:31,450
have my own belief system too as well

2244
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,800
I've seen my I've seen all the evidence

2245
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,080
that I have you know that I need

2246
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:39,760
personally to know that we are not alone

2247
01:51:42,540 --> 01:51:41,590
and we are being visited here we talked

2248
01:51:44,340 --> 01:51:42,550
about that earlier

2249
01:51:48,300 --> 01:51:44,350
so there's that part of it

2250
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:48,310
but the Heaven's Gate situation I don't

2251
01:51:52,590 --> 01:51:50,590
want any of my audience members to

2252
01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:52,600
listen to me and go take some advice

2253
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:55,540
right or treat that as advice or be

2254
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:58,480
reactionary so I'm always very cautious

2255
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:03,040
about that and to address it in the film

2256
01:52:08,190 --> 01:52:04,860
like you guys did I thought it was

2257
01:52:10,980 --> 01:52:08,200
brilliantly done but it's also a zone

2258
01:52:13,050 --> 01:52:10,990
that most people just completely avoid

2259
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,060
you know they don't want they don't want

2260
01:52:19,580 --> 01:52:15,280
to bear that responsibility Aaron go

2261
01:52:22,290 --> 01:52:19,590
ahead you can answer oh no oh I was

2262
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:22,300
Justin actually and it's it's a it's a

2263
01:52:30,930 --> 01:52:26,650
thing where again it's it's hard to talk

2264
01:52:32,820 --> 01:52:30,940
about without spoiling it but there's so

2265
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:32,830
much dishonest that there's so much

2266
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:35,550
acknowledged dishonesty within the story

2267
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:40,030
about the claims that are similar to

2268
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:41,650
things that happened in Heaven's Gate

2269
01:52:45,480 --> 01:52:44,290
but ultimately it does become something

2270
01:52:49,710 --> 01:52:45,490
or it's like it's hard to imagine

2271
01:52:52,620 --> 01:52:49,720
someone would be offended by it and then

2272
01:52:57,060 --> 01:52:52,630
and then if you separate I would just

2273
01:52:58,560 --> 01:52:57,070
you know the bebe issue of suicide when

2274
01:53:01,260 --> 01:52:58,570
we were making the film is really dark

2275
01:53:04,260 --> 01:53:01,270
but we were making the film my mom took

2276
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:04,270
her own life and even being in that

2277
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,130
situation and then you know making this

2278
01:53:11,610 --> 01:53:08,800
film that had suicide in it I didn't

2279
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:11,620
feel offended by anything in the story

2280
01:53:16,410 --> 01:53:14,170
and granted we developed us and I wrote

2281
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:16,420
it so that's easy to say but I still

2282
01:53:21,150 --> 01:53:18,850
didn't I even having that traumatic

2283
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:21,160
event and having it that close to home I

2284
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:23,770
didn't feel I didn't feel like anything

2285
01:53:34,260 --> 01:53:28,810
and it was offensive I don't know how to

2286
01:53:37,050 --> 01:53:34,270
react to that as a show host that's okay

2287
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:37,060
let's let's stay right there what you

2288
01:53:42,210 --> 01:53:38,950
just said is exactly what I'm talking

2289
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:42,220
about right so so you're saying that

2290
01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:45,370
you're your mother took her own life and

2291
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:47,830
you were still able to pursue the film

2292
01:53:52,530 --> 01:53:51,310
from that angle because if you were

2293
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:52,540
comfortable with it with your own

2294
01:53:55,110 --> 01:53:54,190
personal experience that you were going

2295
01:53:58,110 --> 01:53:55,120
through

2296
01:53:59,940 --> 01:53:58,120
then so would the audience yeah yeah

2297
01:54:02,220 --> 01:53:59,950
that's we actually talked about it I was

2298
01:54:04,290 --> 01:54:02,230
like I like it that there was it we

2299
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:04,300
still do shoot those scenes you know

2300
01:54:08,130 --> 01:54:07,030
that there are scenes of them it gets

2301
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:08,140
spoilery talking about whether it's

2302
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:09,910
actually a suicide or not but there

2303
01:54:16,740 --> 01:54:12,610
there are scenes in it that somewhat

2304
01:54:18,420 --> 01:54:16,750
graphically deal with it but it's all

2305
01:54:22,410 --> 01:54:18,430
through such a prism of science fiction

2306
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:22,420
and it's all so heavily linked to meth

2307
01:54:27,810 --> 01:54:25,690
like to to to other prominent themes in

2308
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:27,820
the film of conformity and itan

2309
01:54:35,370 --> 01:54:29,650
conformity and not repeating you know

2310
01:54:37,170 --> 01:54:35,380
your own mistakes and and and and and

2311
01:54:39,780 --> 01:54:37,180
that it's it's sort of in service of the

2312
01:54:41,570 --> 01:54:39,790
of this sort of invented mythology and

2313
01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:41,580
other world the elements that it didn't

2314
01:54:46,410 --> 01:54:44,740
it just even again even with that event

2315
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:46,420
in my life and just right even at that

2316
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:50,590
time I didn't feel as a survivor of it

2317
01:54:56,730 --> 01:54:54,040
but it was yeah I didn't didn't trigger

2318
01:55:00,090 --> 01:54:56,740
anything for me did you guys you

2319
01:55:01,980 --> 01:55:00,100
mentioned earlier Sedona and I don't

2320
01:55:05,610 --> 01:55:01,990
want that to get away from me did you

2321
01:55:08,940 --> 01:55:05,620
visit sites like Sedona and Joshua Tree

2322
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:08,950
and maybe II said II where there have

2323
01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:14,410
been many reports of vortexes and and

2324
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:17,710
loops and and and and you know special

2325
01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:20,650
areas geographically and did you go out

2326
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:22,540
and and talk to the people that live

2327
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:26,650
there no we didn't we didn't go out and

2328
01:55:30,900 --> 01:55:29,290
do any particular research that said

2329
01:55:34,860 --> 01:55:30,910
that we live in Southern California and

2330
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:34,870
we we have a fascination with with I

2331
01:55:41,130 --> 01:55:39,130
guess oddities is the word and so we've

2332
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:41,140
been to a lot of those places but it

2333
01:55:46,830 --> 01:55:44,320
wasn't in so much as a pilgrimage er to

2334
01:55:50,670 --> 01:55:46,840
or research as what was that have just

2335
01:55:52,050 --> 01:55:50,680
just bawled curiosity and so we end up

2336
01:55:53,820 --> 01:55:52,060
there and we think it's really

2337
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:53,830
interesting and we'll we'll see

2338
01:55:58,260 --> 01:55:55,450
sometimes people have founded a

2339
01:56:01,890 --> 01:55:58,270
community or whatever whatever is

2340
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:01,900
happening but but it wasn't that we sat

2341
01:56:06,810 --> 01:56:03,850
down with people who who have had the

2342
01:56:08,030 --> 01:56:06,820
experience purposefully in order to make

2343
01:56:10,730 --> 01:56:08,040
this film it was more

2344
01:56:13,460 --> 01:56:10,740
that sometimes we bump into them or

2345
01:56:15,110 --> 01:56:13,470
sometimes we'd listen to them call into

2346
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:15,120
you know say a show like this or we

2347
01:56:21,650 --> 01:56:17,760
would or we would you know just read

2348
01:56:22,250 --> 01:56:21,660
about it somehow it comes from all

2349
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:22,260
places

2350
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:24,810
I still live in a Sedona and I've seen

2351
01:56:33,650 --> 01:56:26,550
the spiraling trees and I've looked it

2352
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,660
up and I still don't understand no one

2353
01:56:37,820 --> 01:56:35,760
actually does when you look it up

2354
01:56:40,700 --> 01:56:37,830
there's really just theories cuz I think

2355
01:56:42,170 --> 01:56:40,710
it's probably this but even like people

2356
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:42,180
are researchers are kind of baffled I

2357
01:56:48,110 --> 01:56:44,610
think I could be wrong on that but have

2358
01:56:49,340 --> 01:56:48,120
either of you seen anything in the sky

2359
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:49,350
that you can't explain

2360
01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:55,070
I wish so bad have you you haven't read

2361
01:57:02,330 --> 01:56:57,570
I've never seen anything in the sky I

2362
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:02,340
can't explain but I actually my dad is a

2363
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:04,890
huge skeptic of everything and and it's

2364
01:57:10,190 --> 01:57:07,650
like hardcore atheist never bleep like

2365
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:10,200
hardcore science and like never believe

2366
01:57:13,820 --> 01:57:11,730
anything and all of a sudden like a

2367
01:57:16,670 --> 01:57:13,830
month ago he's like yeah so I saw to us

2368
01:57:21,260 --> 01:57:16,680
I saw UFO by mammoth I never told you I

2369
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:21,270
never told you oh that's great oh I love

2370
01:57:27,740 --> 01:57:23,730
it when it happens to those types too as

2371
01:57:30,620 --> 01:57:27,750
well yeah I'm one of those types and I

2372
01:57:33,590 --> 01:57:30,630
deeply want it to happen and I have a

2373
01:57:35,510 --> 01:57:33,600
friend from childhood who I went and

2374
01:57:38,150 --> 01:57:35,520
played pool with you know they're over

2375
01:57:39,980 --> 01:57:38,160
Christmas break and in Florida and he's

2376
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:39,990
just like you come over one night and

2377
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:42,000
I'll show you a fuzz you don't know one

2378
01:57:46,190 --> 01:57:44,370
night and I kept on thinking like and

2379
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:46,200
then I was like hey Chris you're that's

2380
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:47,970
crazy you know of course that's crazy

2381
01:57:51,020 --> 01:57:50,490
it's like no man one night just come on

2382
01:57:52,970 --> 01:57:51,030
over one night

2383
01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:52,980
why were you losing a suburb is a limb

2384
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:54,510
in the middle of nowhere so he's like

2385
01:57:58,970 --> 01:57:56,400
talking about this finding UFOs anywhere

2386
01:58:00,710 --> 01:57:58,980
and I was really into it but I just I

2387
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:00,720
wasn't able to add to slip on over

2388
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:02,610
because I was really hoping he was

2389
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:06,960
totally right all you have to do and I'm

2390
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:08,340
being serious about this it's a

2391
01:58:12,830 --> 01:58:10,320
guarantee there are no guarantees in

2392
01:58:15,950 --> 01:58:12,840
life but I'm giving you one now all you

2393
01:58:18,410 --> 01:58:15,960
have to do is go up to e Sethi ranch up

2394
01:58:21,379 --> 01:58:18,420
in Washington you've heard about the

2395
01:58:24,919 --> 01:58:21,389
place just go up to e Sethi

2396
01:58:27,439 --> 01:58:24,929
and spend one night there and go out on

2397
01:58:28,969 --> 01:58:27,449
on the field of dreams and where

2398
01:58:31,699 --> 01:58:28,979
everybody gathers every night every

2399
01:58:34,189 --> 01:58:31,709
night there's probably any night of the

2400
01:58:37,159 --> 01:58:34,199
week there's 50 people out there but

2401
01:58:42,250 --> 01:58:37,169
just go out there and spend a couple of

2402
01:58:46,129 --> 01:58:42,260
hours and that is the Epiphany oh yeah

2403
01:58:48,949 --> 01:58:46,139
I'm just telling you that's just a dumb

2404
01:58:50,659 --> 01:58:48,959
I'm a skeptics question isn't the answer

2405
01:58:53,449 --> 01:58:50,669
but just someone who hasn't seen it but

2406
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:53,459
like there's nobody try to record this

2407
01:59:01,310 --> 01:58:56,010
oh it's recorded every day Oh they've

2408
01:59:04,189 --> 01:59:01,320
got thousands of videos I'm gonna say it

2409
01:59:07,310 --> 01:59:04,199
like this if I had somebody that was a

2410
01:59:11,060 --> 01:59:07,320
hardcore skeptic atheist scientist type

2411
01:59:13,219 --> 01:59:11,070
that laughed at all of this and that's

2412
01:59:18,169 --> 01:59:13,229
where I would take them and I would just

2413
01:59:19,969 --> 01:59:18,179
sit and laugh wow it's crazy we were up

2414
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:19,979
there last year we're gonna be up there

2415
01:59:24,889 --> 01:59:22,649
in August August 9th through the 12th

2416
01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:24,899
we're having a fade to black conference

2417
01:59:30,409 --> 01:59:28,649
up there it's called soul tech and and I

2418
01:59:32,689 --> 01:59:30,419
not already know what's gonna happen up

2419
01:59:36,529 --> 01:59:32,699
there but we were there last year for

2420
01:59:39,229 --> 01:59:36,539
four nights and the stuff that happened

2421
01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:39,239
to us every single night we had about a

2422
01:59:43,879 --> 01:59:41,159
hundred and fifty people out there all

2423
01:59:47,810 --> 01:59:43,889
at the same time and you've never heard

2424
01:59:49,939 --> 01:59:47,820
so many loud laughs and screams and oohs

2425
01:59:54,199 --> 01:59:49,949
and AHS all happening at the same time

2426
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:54,209
with stuff that I just simply I just I

2427
01:59:58,790 --> 01:59:57,090
can't explain I can't explain I'll give

2428
02:00:01,819 --> 01:59:58,800
this to you the audience's heard the

2429
02:00:06,379 --> 02:00:01,829
story way too many times but we're out

2430
02:00:08,449 --> 02:00:06,389
there and just imagine this okay just

2431
02:00:10,219 --> 02:00:08,459
just unplug for a second and imagine

2432
02:00:13,790 --> 02:00:10,229
this right in the middle of this field

2433
02:00:18,679 --> 02:00:13,800
lights are off surrounded by forests and

2434
02:00:22,489 --> 02:00:18,689
mountains is in front of us and from the

2435
02:00:25,489 --> 02:00:22,499
South Mount Adams is to the north so be

2436
02:00:27,830 --> 02:00:25,499
over our shoulders somebody yells and I

2437
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:27,840
turn around and I look and now going

2438
02:00:34,190 --> 02:00:31,199
from the south to the northwest

2439
02:00:39,710 --> 02:00:34,200
at an angle is

2440
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:39,720
is around your classic disk thing and

2441
02:00:44,570 --> 02:00:41,970
I'm gonna say it's about a mile high

2442
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:44,580
it's not very high okay it's low it's

2443
02:00:50,170 --> 02:00:46,890
not like it's 50,000 feet or a star or

2444
02:00:52,730 --> 02:00:50,180
whatever it's low and you can see it and

2445
02:00:54,530 --> 02:00:52,740
and it just comes across and it was so

2446
02:01:00,770 --> 02:00:54,540
low I thought that I could hear it and

2447
02:01:02,870 --> 02:01:00,780
it was a pink and it was like glowing

2448
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:02,880
and it was a disc anyway so goes our

2449
02:01:09,470 --> 02:01:05,910
crime and it's coming from right over us

2450
02:01:11,420 --> 02:01:09,480
and as it gets to 12 o'clock right above

2451
02:01:13,490 --> 02:01:11,430
us and everybody's yelling and screaming

2452
02:01:17,170 --> 02:01:13,500
and I'm looking at it right as it gets

2453
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:17,180
at 12 o'clock it flashes like a camera

2454
02:01:26,030 --> 02:01:21,890
and then and then as it goes past us it

2455
02:01:29,900 --> 02:01:26,040
started to turn like blue and it was

2456
02:01:33,670 --> 02:01:29,910
blue and pink and it just flew away now

2457
02:01:37,940 --> 02:01:33,680
I can't and Here I am trying to talk

2458
02:01:41,090 --> 02:01:37,950
rationally and and and talk about this

2459
02:01:42,860 --> 02:01:41,100
experience but I wasn't alone there was

2460
02:01:46,790 --> 02:01:42,870
a hundred and fifty people with me and

2461
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:46,800
we all saw this thing but I don't and

2462
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:48,960
that does it I'm just gonna leave it out

2463
02:01:53,180 --> 02:01:50,490
there on the table for the both of you

2464
02:02:03,260 --> 02:01:53,190
you just figure that out I can't

2465
02:02:04,910 --> 02:02:03,270
and it was photographed and video demo

2466
02:02:08,990 --> 02:02:04,920
I still don't I can't tell you what it

2467
02:02:11,110 --> 02:02:09,000
was I can only tell you what we saw so

2468
02:02:13,460 --> 02:02:11,120
jealous of that yeah it was incredible

2469
02:02:15,410 --> 02:02:13,470
I'm excited about a day that we're all

2470
02:02:17,330 --> 02:02:15,420
together in Washington watching that

2471
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:17,340
happening or something like it you know

2472
02:02:21,770 --> 02:02:20,130
yeah it's a nice Eddie ranch man I'll

2473
02:02:24,580 --> 02:02:21,780
talk to you more about it tomorrow but

2474
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:24,590
if we could drag one of you up there I

2475
02:02:36,740 --> 02:02:34,500
like I said I can guarantee okay let's

2476
02:02:39,860 --> 02:02:36,750
take a break we're gonna come back and

2477
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:39,870
get it get this last break in and Erin

2478
02:02:45,410 --> 02:02:42,690
Morehead just invents and creators of

2479
02:02:47,940 --> 02:02:45,420
the film the endless and when we come

2480
02:02:50,370 --> 02:02:47,950
back there's a couple of other

2481
02:02:52,950 --> 02:02:50,380
tasty little morsels in the film that I

2482
02:02:55,229 --> 02:02:52,960
want to get some answers on and one of

2483
02:02:59,760 --> 02:02:55,239
them is how does the car drive on an

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02:03:01,260 --> 02:02:59,770
empty tank of gas more oh that will we

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02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:01,270
give back this is fade to black cover

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[Music]

2570
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:24,240
welcome back fade to black I'm Niels to

2571
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:26,690
me Church follow me on Twitter agh radio

2572
02:07:32,780 --> 02:07:29,730
you can follow Justin at Justin Benson

2573
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:32,790
you can follow Aaron at Aaron you know

2574
02:07:36,260 --> 02:07:35,400
what you know iron I wanted to ask

2575
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:36,270
Huntington

2576
02:07:41,980 --> 02:07:38,850
why are there too many other Aaron more

2577
02:07:44,540 --> 02:07:41,990
heads out there that you have to do that

2578
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:44,550
ask that one more time Huntington is

2579
02:07:48,770 --> 02:07:46,320
there too many other Aaron more heads

2580
02:07:51,650 --> 02:07:48,780
out there no actually you know it's

2581
02:07:53,300 --> 02:07:51,660
funny I've I've met one other one he was

2582
02:07:55,160 --> 02:07:53,310
kind enough to show up to a screening of

2583
02:07:57,370 --> 02:07:55,170
the endless once it was amazing that's

2584
02:08:00,320 --> 02:07:57,380
trippy did he have the same birthday

2585
02:08:01,610 --> 02:08:00,330
no well actually I didn't ask cuz I

2586
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:01,620
didn't want to I don't want to like

2587
02:08:04,460 --> 02:08:03,360
actually look at him and touch him and

2588
02:08:07,190 --> 02:08:04,470
then cancel each other out

2589
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:07,200
yeah right exactly exactly and I do hate

2590
02:08:15,250 --> 02:08:10,050
that when that happens now a spoiler

2591
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:15,260
alert everybody House of the Rising Sun

2592
02:08:22,250 --> 02:08:19,650
his Aaron is that your real voice when

2593
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:22,260
we sing it oh yeah really I mean it

2594
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:28,770
better be I mean yeah what was that like

2595
02:08:38,930 --> 02:08:32,970
man is did I mean have you always had

2596
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:38,940
those pipes yeah you know it's funny the

2597
02:08:46,070 --> 02:08:42,810
house the Rising Sun thing is because

2598
02:08:48,500 --> 02:08:46,080
it's it's actually it's an old poem that

2599
02:08:50,510 --> 02:08:48,510
is in the public domain so as long as

2600
02:08:52,250 --> 02:08:50,520
you aren't singing any famous version of

2601
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:52,260
the song you just make up your own you

2602
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:55,650
uh you can you can sing house the Rising

2603
02:09:01,970 --> 02:08:57,530
Sun the lyrics that everybody knows and

2604
02:09:04,700 --> 02:09:01,980
so so in the that you know I sing it

2605
02:09:07,820 --> 02:09:04,710
twice in the film and the first time it

2606
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:07,830
was I mean it both times it's the first

2607
02:09:12,020 --> 02:09:09,450
time it's deliberately bad because it's

2608
02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:12,030
too annoyed Justin you know and it's

2609
02:09:16,250 --> 02:09:13,410
weird version that you've never heard

2610
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:16,260
before and actually I like that a lot

2611
02:09:21,670 --> 02:09:19,110
because there's quite a few famous

2612
02:09:25,610 --> 02:09:21,680
versions of the song and I like that

2613
02:09:27,890 --> 02:09:25,620
that although the endless takes place in

2614
02:09:30,590 --> 02:09:27,900
our world there's just kind of like

2615
02:09:31,940 --> 02:09:30,600
these odd baroque things that that are

2616
02:09:35,530 --> 02:09:31,950
that are just a little bit

2617
02:09:38,330 --> 02:09:35,540
ah and and us having our own version of

2618
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:38,340
our own sing-along version of past the

2619
02:09:42,170 --> 02:09:40,320
Rising Sun is one of them and then in

2620
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:42,180
the karaoke like yeah I was giving it my

2621
02:09:46,220 --> 02:09:44,130
best shot I was actually like not trying

2622
02:09:49,190 --> 02:09:46,230
to annoy justice so well you were on

2623
02:09:50,990 --> 02:09:49,200
pitch though there was a couple of

2624
02:09:56,510 --> 02:09:51,000
moments there I was like is he gonna get

2625
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:56,520
there and you did yeah we hired Josh

2626
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:00,000
Groban briefly to come in and redo my

2627
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,770
vocals but then we realized we couldn't

2628
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:03,360
afford him but but actually that wasn't

2629
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:04,560
the important thing it was that I was

2630
02:10:10,190 --> 02:10:07,920
better then Josh grant yeah I can I can

2631
02:10:12,530 --> 02:10:10,200
hear that Josh would have blown it yeah

2632
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:12,540
yeah yeah he's he's over but he's

2633
02:10:20,150 --> 02:10:15,690
overrated he's overrated now I want to

2634
02:10:23,570 --> 02:10:20,160
get back to a couple of other things for

2635
02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:23,580
me this is uh me asking the questions in

2636
02:10:34,700 --> 02:10:30,450
that today I think that too much is put

2637
02:10:39,650 --> 02:10:34,710
on special effects and and CG to support

2638
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:39,660
a film that can't hold its own as far as

2639
02:10:46,610 --> 02:10:42,210
the story or the script writing in the

2640
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:46,620
case of the endless it's it's I think

2641
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:50,250
the special effects are there for salt

2642
02:10:56,060 --> 02:10:52,890
and pepper to kind of improve things it

2643
02:10:58,180 --> 02:10:56,070
is story driven I'm gonna give this to

2644
02:11:03,380 --> 02:10:58,190
Justin because you wrote the film Justin

2645
02:11:05,390 --> 02:11:03,390
why is that today that the story and

2646
02:11:08,420 --> 02:11:05,400
good script writing has kind of gotten

2647
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:08,430
away from us and here it's it's the

2648
02:11:15,290 --> 02:11:10,800
script in the story that supports the

2649
02:11:20,570 --> 02:11:15,300
special effects hmm man that is a deep

2650
02:11:21,710 --> 02:11:20,580
question that's a tough one by saying

2651
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:21,720
this I was talking to someone the other

2652
02:11:28,490 --> 02:11:25,650
day about you know the the current state

2653
02:11:30,980 --> 02:11:28,500
of cinema and and what gets released

2654
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:30,990
theatrically versus going to video

2655
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:35,760
on-demand or straight to Netflix and you

2656
02:11:39,740 --> 02:11:37,920
know we're we're in pretty good shape I

2657
02:11:41,330 --> 02:11:39,750
don't think we're in that bad of shape I

2658
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:41,340
mean there's are a lot of really

2659
02:11:44,780 --> 02:11:42,930
wonderful films being released

2660
02:11:46,970 --> 02:11:44,790
theatrically right now that

2661
02:11:49,729 --> 02:11:46,980
certain distributors especially this one

2662
02:11:53,660 --> 02:11:49,739
called a 24 has really figured out how

2663
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:53,670
to market these smaller character driven

2664
02:11:59,530 --> 02:11:56,010
films and to get people into movie

2665
02:12:03,440 --> 02:11:59,540
theaters watching them now that said

2666
02:12:06,050 --> 02:12:03,450
here's a crazy thought in the year 2018

2667
02:12:09,170 --> 02:12:06,060
if Pulp Fiction were released in 2018 it

2668
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:09,180
might be a straight to the ad release if

2669
02:12:14,810 --> 02:12:12,320
a company like a 24 didn't pick it up

2670
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:14,820
things have changed you know that there

2671
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:18,000
was a point in the 90s where you could

2672
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:19,970
justify spending a twenty million dollar

2673
02:12:27,860 --> 02:12:23,970
PNA marketing campaign on a an indie

2674
02:12:28,940 --> 02:12:27,870
film and and a lot of people would show

2675
02:12:30,590 --> 02:12:28,950
up to see it and they could do really

2676
02:12:34,460 --> 02:12:30,600
well financially and they could recoup

2677
02:12:36,140 --> 02:12:34,470
their costs and all that it would be

2678
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:36,150
more risky today I don't know why that

2679
02:12:41,210 --> 02:12:37,530
is I don't know what's changed in the

2680
02:12:42,410 --> 02:12:41,220
behavior of the consumer but but

2681
02:12:45,500 --> 02:12:42,420
obviously Marvel movies do

2682
02:12:48,080 --> 02:12:45,510
extraordinarily well and I'm not saying

2683
02:12:50,570 --> 02:12:48,090
Marvel movies are bad films in any way

2684
02:12:56,270 --> 02:12:50,580
but but that what you just said you know

2685
02:12:58,280 --> 02:12:56,280
are they somewhat reliant on large on

2686
02:13:01,130 --> 02:12:58,290
very big action sequences that use a lot

2687
02:13:02,570 --> 02:13:01,140
of of CGI and visual effects oh yeah of

2688
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:02,580
course play they do that if the third

2689
02:13:07,700 --> 02:13:03,930
act of every Marvel movie if I'm not

2690
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:07,710
mistaken is a big CGI battle scene right

2691
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:08,970
what I'd be directing me something that

2692
02:13:12,710 --> 02:13:10,770
yeah that's the that's what you go to

2693
02:13:15,170 --> 02:13:12,720
the movie to see right and and that's a

2694
02:13:17,510 --> 02:13:15,180
lot of fun and that's that's that that's

2695
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:17,520
great I don't know what it is that like

2696
02:13:21,979 --> 02:13:20,370
we don't get things like again like

2697
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:21,989
things like pulp fiction anymore I don't

2698
02:13:25,310 --> 02:13:23,520
know and then it's funny to think as I

2699
02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:25,320
guess hopefully soon release in 2018 it

2700
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:27,210
wouldn't be like a cultural landmark

2701
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:30,810
film it would be well one of those it do

2702
02:13:35,180 --> 02:13:32,250
well it would do well but it wouldn't be

2703
02:13:36,380 --> 02:13:35,190
like a big deal probably and that's not

2704
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:36,390
because of the bad movie in any way it's

2705
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:40,110
just the culture has changed but when

2706
02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:42,210
you well when you I feel like it just

2707
02:13:50,390 --> 02:13:45,810
interrupted you did I no no no okay okay

2708
02:13:53,870 --> 02:13:50,400
okay when you watch the trailer of The

2709
02:13:56,240 --> 02:13:53,880
Endless I think it's also a little bit

2710
02:13:58,450 --> 02:13:56,250
misleading because those the second half

2711
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:58,460
of the trailer you've got all of the

2712
02:14:04,060 --> 02:14:00,560
you know these explosions and these

2713
02:14:07,480 --> 02:14:04,070
cutscenes in it that don't necessarily

2714
02:14:10,330 --> 02:14:07,490
represent the film which is story driven

2715
02:14:14,850 --> 02:14:10,340
and character driven the special effects

2716
02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:14,860
are there to enhance that being said as

2717
02:14:20,670 --> 02:14:17,410
budget constrained as you guys may be

2718
02:14:23,140 --> 02:14:20,680
the special effects in the film kick ass

2719
02:14:27,250 --> 02:14:23,150
there is and so I want to ask you about

2720
02:14:33,370 --> 02:14:27,260
a couple of them the the one the one

2721
02:14:35,290 --> 02:14:33,380
scene where Aaron is on the path and in

2722
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:35,300
the background there's an explosion in

2723
02:14:42,130 --> 02:14:39,050
the trees there's a puff right right was

2724
02:14:44,830 --> 02:14:42,140
that CG or was that an explosion a real

2725
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:44,840
explosion in the background actually I'm

2726
02:14:48,970 --> 02:14:47,210
just making sure do you mean where where

2727
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:48,980
he's jogging and then that big cargo

2728
02:14:54,580 --> 02:14:51,410
container moves a little bit is that the

2729
02:14:58,510 --> 02:14:54,590
one that that that sequence of stuff yes

2730
02:15:02,230 --> 02:14:58,520
yeah some of that was real and some of

2731
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:02,240
it's not we there's a funny story I'll

2732
02:15:06,460 --> 02:15:03,440
tell you how he shot it and then we'll

2733
02:15:08,580 --> 02:15:06,470
talk about the visual effects we had

2734
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:08,590
this big plan of how to shoot it and

2735
02:15:13,120 --> 02:15:11,450
it's out by this cargo container that is

2736
02:15:15,610 --> 02:15:13,130
adjacent to one of our shooting

2737
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,620
locations it's still a bit of a hike but

2738
02:15:21,820 --> 02:15:17,840
it's kind of this this oddity even for

2739
02:15:24,670 --> 02:15:21,830
me and Justin where we we show up there

2740
02:15:27,250 --> 02:15:24,680
and it's a kind of a desert path and

2741
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:27,260
there's a cargo container out there

2742
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:29,810
which by the way you might just think

2743
02:15:33,700 --> 02:15:32,000
okay sure but what the hell is it doing

2744
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:33,710
there and how did it get there I mean

2745
02:15:37,120 --> 02:15:34,970
that's that's the thing that is normally

2746
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:37,130
on a semi truck it's in the middle of

2747
02:15:42,970 --> 02:15:40,370
the desert after a long hike we have no

2748
02:15:44,410 --> 02:15:42,980
idea what it's doing out there and and

2749
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:44,420
that's why we wanted to shoot by it and

2750
02:15:52,030 --> 02:15:49,850
so we we arrived we started setting up

2751
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:52,040
this this relatively complicated scene

2752
02:15:56,820 --> 02:15:54,320
that you see in the movie and Ana

2753
02:15:59,080 --> 02:15:56,830
gentlemen shows up and he's like hey

2754
02:16:01,930 --> 02:15:59,090
y'all around my property and you can

2755
02:16:05,260 --> 02:16:01,940
leave right now and and he was not

2756
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:05,270
having us being on his property and

2757
02:16:08,710 --> 02:16:07,130
here's the thing though is we genuinely

2758
02:16:10,940 --> 02:16:08,720
thought it was public property we

2759
02:16:13,580 --> 02:16:10,950
thought we had the proper permit we

2760
02:16:15,530 --> 02:16:13,590
just it was just a it was a very

2761
02:16:16,910 --> 02:16:15,540
innocent mistake we would have loved to

2762
02:16:18,140 --> 02:16:16,920
have gotten permission we weren't trying

2763
02:16:19,880 --> 02:16:18,150
to steal anything you know we just

2764
02:16:22,070 --> 02:16:19,890
thought we had in the proper permit and

2765
02:16:23,660 --> 02:16:22,080
so we were able to convince him to give

2766
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:23,670
us 30 minutes to get the hell off the

2767
02:16:30,470 --> 02:16:27,530
heck off his property and so and so that

2768
02:16:34,100 --> 02:16:30,480
scene ended up getting shot in like half

2769
02:16:37,790 --> 02:16:34,110
an hour and and so the cargo container

2770
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:37,800
bumping that's a CGI effect and then the

2771
02:16:41,720 --> 02:16:40,080
the the Sun getting blotted out that's a

2772
02:16:43,130 --> 02:16:41,730
CGI effect and then as you mentioned

2773
02:16:46,430 --> 02:16:43,140
there's there's kind of a thing that

2774
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:46,440
happens behind them which is a tree

2775
02:16:50,720 --> 02:16:49,050
falling and as much as we would have

2776
02:16:53,930 --> 02:16:50,730
loved to a chop down a tree in that

2777
02:16:56,570 --> 02:16:53,940
moment that is a CGI tree falling but

2778
02:16:58,160 --> 02:16:56,580
all of those things if you'll notice the

2779
02:17:00,410 --> 02:16:58,170
way I'm describing them are way in the

2780
02:17:02,180 --> 02:17:00,420
distance and that's just part of our

2781
02:17:03,950 --> 02:17:02,190
tricks that's just part of the way that

2782
02:17:07,340 --> 02:17:03,960
we're able to build visual effects that

2783
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:07,350
feel real is that that almost everything

2784
02:17:10,910 --> 02:17:09,450
happens in the distance and I don't mean

2785
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,920
it's small on screen and therefore

2786
02:17:15,050 --> 02:17:12,240
there's less work to do I just mean that

2787
02:17:16,820 --> 02:17:15,060
there's there's a specialty we have that

2788
02:17:19,459 --> 02:17:16,830
that we were able to accomplish with the

2789
02:17:22,820 --> 02:17:19,469
film yeah it doesn't dominate you know

2790
02:17:24,970 --> 02:17:22,830
you bring up a really good example of

2791
02:17:28,220 --> 02:17:24,980
you know the way Marvel or thor ragnarok

2792
02:17:30,830 --> 02:17:28,230
whatever where everything is shot on

2793
02:17:32,810 --> 02:17:30,840
green-screen everything there is is not

2794
02:17:34,820 --> 02:17:32,820
real and you're tricked into it and

2795
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:34,830
that's part of the fun you know your

2796
02:17:38,420 --> 02:17:36,330
brain is convinced that what you're

2797
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:38,430
seeing on the screen is real these

2798
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:42,240
special effects are there in the

2799
02:17:47,060 --> 02:17:44,370
background to enhance the scene and it's

2800
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:47,070
very effective and I thought that all of

2801
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:51,090
this was was real just captured it on

2802
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,880
film and and it was just effective like

2803
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:56,160
the rope you know that was a another

2804
02:18:02,000 --> 02:17:58,170
thing that I really tried to figure that

2805
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:02,010
out really like okay how are they doing

2806
02:18:07,940 --> 02:18:05,340
this but I thought all of that was very

2807
02:18:10,490 --> 02:18:07,950
very effective and I like the way that

2808
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,500
you have chosen to not have it in the

2809
02:18:15,590 --> 02:18:13,200
front and like I said the trailer is

2810
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:15,600
kind of misleading I think for those

2811
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,610
when they're gonna expect something else

2812
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:20,160
that that's not what the film is it's

2813
02:18:25,610 --> 02:18:22,889
about the script in the story first

2814
02:18:27,709 --> 02:18:25,620
yeah yeah my marketing materials

2815
02:18:29,300 --> 02:18:27,719
hopefully you're not totally conning

2816
02:18:35,060 --> 02:18:29,310
your audience is someone not totally not

2817
02:18:39,770 --> 02:18:35,070
expecting but but but you know unless

2818
02:18:41,390 --> 02:18:39,780
unless your movie is is what was that

2819
02:18:45,350 --> 02:18:41,400
point of view Russian film

2820
02:18:45,980 --> 02:18:45,360
oh wait which one oh with the yeah that

2821
02:18:48,410 --> 02:18:45,990
was great

2822
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:48,420
that's a movie our crazy Charlie or

2823
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:50,490
whatever a crazy crazy child was that

2824
02:18:55,070 --> 02:18:52,650
not crazy Charlie but it's a but

2825
02:18:57,350 --> 02:18:55,080
something like that yeah no one's no

2826
02:19:00,470 --> 02:18:57,360
one's movie can be as visceral and

2827
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,480
kinetic as their trailer yeah and unless

2828
02:19:05,209 --> 02:19:02,880
it's you know something like that or

2829
02:19:07,370 --> 02:19:05,219
like the rate or the rate to madacorp

2830
02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,380
madman is better than its trail yeah

2831
02:19:12,350 --> 02:19:10,260
kinetically but also I was going to say

2832
02:19:14,419 --> 02:19:12,360
that you know Aaron Aaron's a visual

2833
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,429
effects genius and his specialty is

2834
02:19:18,470 --> 02:19:16,800
something called 2d compositing and it's

2835
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:18,480
something that we've been able to

2836
02:19:24,830 --> 02:19:22,290
exploit his his amazing talent at it to

2837
02:19:26,900 --> 02:19:24,840
all three of our movies but I think that

2838
02:19:29,180 --> 02:19:26,910
the way that we use it is that this

2839
02:19:32,300 --> 02:19:29,190
finance realize this we and I are both

2840
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:32,310
huge fans of Lord of the Rings I don't

2841
02:19:35,089 --> 02:19:33,599
think anyone will look at our films and

2842
02:19:37,070 --> 02:19:35,099
be like they must have been inspired by

2843
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:37,080
Lord of the Rings so I I would wish that

2844
02:19:42,860 --> 02:19:40,170
would happen but it doesn't but uh but

2845
02:19:45,620 --> 02:19:42,870
there is a technical approach and Lord

2846
02:19:48,020 --> 02:19:45,630
of the Rings that but I do think we use

2847
02:19:50,330 --> 02:19:48,030
just a various a much smaller scale and

2848
02:19:52,730 --> 02:19:50,340
it's that get everything as far as you

2849
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:52,740
can possibly get it in camera and on set

2850
02:19:59,150 --> 02:19:56,010
and then use use visual effects

2851
02:20:02,780 --> 02:19:59,160
technology to augment that and instead

2852
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:02,790
of just relying on on on digital

2853
02:20:06,320 --> 02:20:05,040
technology or just relying on practical

2854
02:20:08,090 --> 02:20:06,330
effects because that doesn't usually

2855
02:20:09,950 --> 02:20:08,100
turn out very well either

2856
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,960
but it's really again it's just about

2857
02:20:15,170 --> 02:20:11,760
getting it as far as you possibly can on

2858
02:20:16,820 --> 02:20:15,180
set and then and then using the

2859
02:20:20,390 --> 02:20:16,830
technology that Aaron brilliantly knows

2860
02:20:22,761 --> 02:20:20,400
how to use to to make it even better now

2861
02:20:26,450 --> 02:20:22,771
I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with Aaron on

2862
02:20:28,761 --> 02:20:26,460
this because the what do you consider

2863
02:20:30,261 --> 02:20:28,771
this do you consider it paranormal do

2864
02:20:33,220 --> 02:20:30,271
you consider it supernaturally

2865
02:20:41,001 --> 02:20:33,230
considered science fiction

2866
02:20:43,701 --> 02:20:41,011
is this et is this ancient cultures you

2867
02:20:45,980 --> 02:20:43,711
know what and you leave so much of this

2868
02:20:48,081 --> 02:20:45,990
for the audience to figure out for

2869
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:48,091
themselves which is great but you

2870
02:20:55,041 --> 02:20:50,250
personally what do you consider this

2871
02:20:57,831 --> 02:20:55,051
film almost all of what you said just

2872
02:21:00,201 --> 02:20:57,841
there I would say I consider it the only

2873
02:21:01,881 --> 02:21:00,211
one I would say it's probably not is

2874
02:21:05,421 --> 02:21:01,891
extraterrestrial

2875
02:21:07,240 --> 02:21:05,431
but that said though what it's what it

2876
02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:07,250
is is it something that is so ancient

2877
02:21:12,430 --> 02:21:09,330
that in many ways it defies

2878
02:21:19,490 --> 02:21:12,440
comprehension or at least it defies

2879
02:21:20,570 --> 02:21:19,500
categorization and so and so we we like

2880
02:21:22,551 --> 02:21:20,580
to think of it as something that's

2881
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:22,561
always been there it's an it's it's a

2882
02:21:28,211 --> 02:21:25,200
natural phenomenon that has grown out of

2883
02:21:32,360 --> 02:21:28,221
the earth and become sentient in a way

2884
02:21:35,091 --> 02:21:32,370
that also in in in other ways is able to

2885
02:21:40,041 --> 02:21:35,101
interact with plenty of other dimensions

2886
02:21:42,381 --> 02:21:40,051
and and and has become demigod like that

2887
02:21:49,751 --> 02:21:42,391
it that is simultaneously a natural

2888
02:21:55,761 --> 02:21:52,701
gee you danced on that one I was like I

2889
02:21:59,451 --> 02:21:55,771
got to pump the brakes here I'm not I'm

2890
02:22:02,270 --> 02:21:59,461
not saying this is what it is okay but

2891
02:22:04,461 --> 02:22:02,280
if if dawn a keel came across this

2892
02:22:07,461 --> 02:22:04,471
region running mic oh yeah he might

2893
02:22:08,751 --> 02:22:07,471
weave it into terrestrial theory and

2894
02:22:10,371 --> 02:22:08,761
we're not saying that's what it is

2895
02:22:12,411 --> 02:22:10,381
but he might weave it into it you might

2896
02:22:14,511 --> 02:22:12,421
read enough things yeah well I found it

2897
02:22:17,121 --> 02:22:14,521
on cave paintings and I thought it must

2898
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:17,131
and it seems a dimensional and it and he

2899
02:22:21,140 --> 02:22:19,200
might like weave it into his argument in

2900
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:21,150
our haunted planet Justin what do you

2901
02:22:32,961 --> 02:22:30,000
think it is we just figured out man

2902
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:32,971
okay Aaron what do you think it is no we

2903
02:22:39,131 --> 02:22:34,650
did we just swapped in the middle of

2904
02:22:45,711 --> 02:22:42,020
saying the it's animal but but also

2905
02:22:46,370 --> 02:22:45,721
simultaneously natural and then he

2906
02:22:50,540 --> 02:22:46,380
jumped in

2907
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:50,550
about John ATO now see this is and I

2908
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:54,000
love this part of it again no spoilers

2909
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:59,760
here but it seems to me about halfway

2910
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:01,920
through the film that we're dealing with

2911
02:23:07,969 --> 02:23:05,760
something that is maybe game playing or

2912
02:23:12,850 --> 02:23:07,979
having fun that there is an intelligence

2913
02:23:15,980 --> 02:23:12,860
here that is in control of camp arcadia

2914
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:15,990
yeah and that's the that's the hopeful

2915
02:23:23,150 --> 02:23:19,040
idea is that there's a very direct

2916
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:23,160
potentially malevolent influence on on

2917
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:24,450
everything that's happening and actually

2918
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:26,010
that does tie back to our first film

2919
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:27,810
resolution as well

2920
02:23:34,190 --> 02:23:31,530
that we want it to seem intelligent but

2921
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:34,200
a little bit unknowable as well yeah I

2922
02:23:40,730 --> 02:23:36,240
think it's one of the funnest parts of

2923
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:40,740
the film is trying to figure out and I

2924
02:23:45,290 --> 02:23:43,050
don't want to I feel like all of us are

2925
02:23:48,110 --> 02:23:45,300
almost aiming it with can somehow string

2926
02:23:49,940 --> 02:23:48,120
it along for almost two hours that

2927
02:23:51,889 --> 02:23:49,950
without without having to do any

2928
02:23:56,030 --> 02:23:51,899
spoilers this is great yeah well you

2929
02:23:59,330 --> 02:23:56,040
know because and when I first started

2930
02:24:01,610 --> 02:23:59,340
speaking about the film last month or at

2931
02:24:03,969 --> 02:24:01,620
the beginning of July I didn't want to

2932
02:24:08,120 --> 02:24:03,979
give it away either and I knew that

2933
02:24:10,100 --> 02:24:08,130
everybody getting into the film was

2934
02:24:12,350 --> 02:24:10,110
gonna go through exactly what I went

2935
02:24:16,130 --> 02:24:12,360
through you know and there's there's no

2936
02:24:18,410 --> 02:24:16,140
way that you can't take that ride and

2937
02:24:23,660 --> 02:24:18,420
and straight and try to figure it out

2938
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:23,670
it's it's a very complex series of

2939
02:24:27,889 --> 02:24:25,890
events that suggests so many different

2940
02:24:30,500 --> 02:24:27,899
things because we're obviously dealing

2941
02:24:32,330 --> 02:24:30,510
with time you know there's that part of

2942
02:24:35,300 --> 02:24:32,340
it and then you throw in everything else

2943
02:24:39,400 --> 02:24:35,310
and like I said for me that little alien

2944
02:24:42,290 --> 02:24:39,410
in the glass was something that was

2945
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:42,300
deliberately put there and so my god

2946
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:46,110
please show us an image of that I I I

2947
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:50,090
have to I'll get it I'll get it somehow

2948
02:24:56,719 --> 02:24:54,240
and and get that to you guys but but

2949
02:24:58,460 --> 02:24:56,729
anyway for me that was one of the

2950
02:24:59,700 --> 02:24:58,470
coolest things about it because that

2951
02:25:03,080 --> 02:24:59,710
took me down a whole nother

2952
02:25:07,650 --> 02:25:03,090
mental road right and I was cool with it

2953
02:25:10,890 --> 02:25:07,660
really looks like it was making sense to

2954
02:25:12,570 --> 02:25:10,900
me through something that now that I

2955
02:25:15,090 --> 02:25:12,580
know it wasn't even supposed to be there

2956
02:25:16,650 --> 02:25:15,100
and it wasn't intentional

2957
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:16,660
it's one of those things it's like don't

2958
02:25:23,340 --> 02:25:18,370
kill them for me it's one of my fondest

2959
02:25:25,950 --> 02:25:23,350
memories right no absolutely and what's

2960
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:25,960
funny is it's you know when you say you

2961
02:25:34,770 --> 02:25:29,410
saw that that man in the glass our films

2962
02:25:36,540 --> 02:25:34,780
are they we are we're willing to accept

2963
02:25:38,969 --> 02:25:36,550
other people's interpretations of the

2964
02:25:40,530 --> 02:25:38,979
film but it's not one of those things

2965
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:40,540
that we just kind of shrug and say oh

2966
02:25:44,100 --> 02:25:42,250
whatever you think it is it's dream

2967
02:25:46,050 --> 02:25:44,110
logic it's it's not like that it's it's

2968
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:46,060
that there is a deliberate

2969
02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:48,610
interpretation but it's it's it's a it's

2970
02:25:57,150 --> 02:25:52,530
also a very deliberately by construction

2971
02:25:58,560 --> 02:25:57,160
mysterious film and so so we have an

2972
02:26:00,360 --> 02:25:58,570
answer to the mystery that's our own

2973
02:26:02,820 --> 02:26:00,370
theory on mystery is that we need the

2974
02:26:06,750 --> 02:26:02,830
answer it's just how we do lit out and

2975
02:26:08,610 --> 02:26:06,760
how much we give some stuff we leave to

2976
02:26:11,400 --> 02:26:08,620
the side on the periphery and some stuff

2977
02:26:13,530 --> 02:26:11,410
we feed directly in dialogue in action

2978
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:13,540
in really obvious ways and and then

2979
02:26:20,310 --> 02:26:18,130
somewhere in between but but ultimately

2980
02:26:23,490 --> 02:26:20,320
that your understanding of the film is

2981
02:26:25,230 --> 02:26:23,500
probably not like grossly incorrect it's

2982
02:26:27,990 --> 02:26:25,240
it's it's just something where it's like

2983
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:28,000
oh you're grabbing something from your

2984
02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:30,970
own lifelong experience and applying it

2985
02:26:35,550 --> 02:26:33,370
to this mythology that we invented and

2986
02:26:37,140 --> 02:26:35,560
it's probably still pretty damn darn

2987
02:26:40,140 --> 02:26:37,150
close to what I'm so sorry

2988
02:26:43,860 --> 02:26:40,150
well so what we keep on - what the film

2989
02:26:47,880 --> 02:26:43,870
actually is well so as we start to wrap

2990
02:26:51,719 --> 02:26:47,890
up here the big question is especially

2991
02:26:58,020 --> 02:26:51,729
with the way that the film concludes is

2992
02:27:04,290 --> 02:26:58,030
there an endless part - not not an

2993
02:27:06,990 --> 02:27:04,300
endless part - but you know again we

2994
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:07,000
have it sort of inconsequential to this

2995
02:27:12,450 --> 02:27:08,650
movie but yeah we do have two movies

2996
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:12,460
that take place in this world and

2997
02:27:18,210 --> 02:27:16,210
and it took about six years to just

2998
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:18,220
almost sort of unconsciously develop

2999
02:27:21,719 --> 02:27:19,930
this one what do we wanted to or not we

3000
02:27:23,340 --> 02:27:21,729
were creating all this material we just

3001
02:27:26,010 --> 02:27:23,350
kept talking about it and then realize

3002
02:27:28,979 --> 02:27:26,020
we had to do it and probably you know

3003
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:28,989
given another six to ten years will tell

3004
02:27:33,360 --> 02:27:32,170
another story in this universe we don't

3005
02:27:35,099 --> 02:27:33,370
know if that would be a movie or a TV

3006
02:27:37,260 --> 02:27:35,109
show it probably wouldn't be called the

3007
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:37,270
endless - it'll probably be again just

3008
02:27:40,860 --> 02:27:39,040
doing something that you could watch it

3009
02:27:42,780 --> 02:27:40,870
on its own and then discover that

3010
02:27:43,950 --> 02:27:42,790
there's two parties that take place with

3011
02:27:47,790 --> 02:27:43,960
these characters and that would be

3012
02:27:49,530 --> 02:27:47,800
mind-blowing it would be something like

3013
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:49,540
that well what are you guys working on

3014
02:27:57,660 --> 02:27:53,290
now are you in production we're not

3015
02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:57,670
we're not in production we have four

3016
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:01,359
movies and two TV shows and development

3017
02:28:07,650 --> 02:28:04,720
and one of the TV shows though the one

3018
02:28:12,120 --> 02:28:07,660
thing we talk about pretty openly is we

3019
02:28:15,380 --> 02:28:12,130
have a TV show about the early nineteen

3020
02:28:16,679 --> 02:28:15,390
hundred's occultist aleister crowley oh

3021
02:28:19,950 --> 02:28:16,689
yeah

3022
02:28:24,360 --> 02:28:19,960
and it's it's a it's a lengthy telling

3023
02:28:26,340 --> 02:28:24,370
of his life not not directly we take

3024
02:28:29,099 --> 02:28:26,350
obviously plenty of liberties with it

3025
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:29,109
but but it's a it's an a relatively

3026
02:28:33,240 --> 02:28:32,050
even-handed view of him and actually a

3027
02:28:37,050 --> 02:28:33,250
question for you

3028
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:37,060
yes on the call outs in the first the

3029
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:39,760
first radio segment you had Toby Kebbell

3030
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:42,810
yeah what did you chat with him about oh

3031
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:46,090
man that would be telling but I'm a big

3032
02:28:55,469 --> 02:28:50,560
big okay look I love film and when it

3033
02:28:57,780 --> 02:28:55,479
comes to Guy Ritchie and and others out

3034
02:29:01,189 --> 02:28:57,790
there that I really respect what they do

3035
02:29:04,860 --> 02:29:01,199
I study the films and and everything and

3036
02:29:08,700 --> 02:29:04,870
so Toby and rock and Rolla was one of

3037
02:29:11,160 --> 02:29:08,710
those films that is very singular a film

3038
02:29:13,979 --> 02:29:11,170
that great comes along very rarely right

3039
02:29:16,290 --> 02:29:13,989
and we all know this and everything in

3040
02:29:17,910 --> 02:29:16,300
line for Guy Ritchie on that film but I

3041
02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:17,920
also went back and watched everything

3042
02:29:22,850 --> 02:29:20,880
else that Toby had done in

3043
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:22,860
in his career leading up to that and

3044
02:29:30,860 --> 02:29:26,730
he's very very very gifted I had the

3045
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:30,870
opportunity with with Toby to talk to

3046
02:29:38,780 --> 02:29:35,610
him for about six hours privately whoa

3047
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:38,790
okay and and I got inside of his head

3048
02:29:45,051 --> 02:29:42,570
and it's it's going to stay there okay

3049
02:29:48,970 --> 02:29:45,061
it just needs to stay there but when he

3050
02:29:52,370 --> 02:29:48,980
did that when he did that drop for me

3051
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:52,380
which was at the end of the day he goes

3052
02:29:57,200 --> 02:29:54,090
man you know I've got something perfect

3053
02:29:59,690 --> 02:29:57,210
you know I got something perfect and he

3054
02:30:02,120 --> 02:29:59,700
did that he did that in one take and it

3055
02:30:05,091 --> 02:30:02,130
was just a gift that that he did and

3056
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:05,101
there you go but he is he's just an

3057
02:30:12,980 --> 02:30:09,450
amazing guy have you ever met him Aaron

3058
02:30:15,350 --> 02:30:12,990
met him once very very briefly and but

3059
02:30:16,461 --> 02:30:15,360
the reason why we've been we're so

3060
02:30:19,791 --> 02:30:16,471
curious about and we've been sort of

3061
02:30:21,470 --> 02:30:19,801
tracking his career as well is the

3062
02:30:24,200 --> 02:30:21,480
character that he plays in rock and

3063
02:30:24,591 --> 02:30:24,210
Rolla Johnny quid am I getting an

3064
02:30:28,671 --> 02:30:24,601
erection

3065
02:30:32,570 --> 02:30:28,681
yeah that that character is sort has

3066
02:30:35,751 --> 02:30:32,580
always sort of been the comp for how we

3067
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:35,761
saw the more reckless aspects of our

3068
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:39,690
Aleister Crowley character oh now see

3069
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:42,090
that makes a lot of sense yeah right so

3070
02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:43,650
you get you at the idea like the more

3071
02:30:49,131 --> 02:30:45,840
sort of like humorous reckless aspects

3072
02:30:50,751 --> 02:30:49,141
of of his personality and again the the

3073
02:30:57,470 --> 02:30:50,761
show we've been developing is is neither

3074
02:30:59,211 --> 02:30:57,480
neither glamorizes him nor nor says that

3075
02:31:00,560 --> 02:30:59,221
he was actually the wickedest man in the

3076
02:31:04,671 --> 02:31:00,570
world or a Satanist or anything like

3077
02:31:06,020 --> 02:31:04,681
that but but we thought we did the show

3078
02:31:08,660 --> 02:31:06,030
is a very very complicated guy who's

3079
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:08,670
very flawed and in the sort of funny or

3080
02:31:12,320 --> 02:31:10,170
darker moments of Johnny quid and rock

3081
02:31:14,541 --> 02:31:12,330
and Rolla we were like oh that that that

3082
02:31:17,421 --> 02:31:14,551
is that's basically what we should

3083
02:31:20,900 --> 02:31:17,431
looking to be looking for and in casting

3084
02:31:23,360 --> 02:31:20,910
this character and I could see that

3085
02:31:26,780 --> 02:31:23,370
because you know when you go back and

3086
02:31:30,291 --> 02:31:26,790
look like I'm sure you guys have had to

3087
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:30,301
do to research Alice there's life he

3088
02:31:36,060 --> 02:31:34,210
there was a few years there were he he

3089
02:31:46,110 --> 02:31:36,070
to the edge of the cliff man and took a

3090
02:31:49,530 --> 02:31:46,120
peek like a very accomplished mountain

3091
02:31:51,390 --> 02:31:49,540
climber yeah literally just like Johnny

3092
02:31:55,170 --> 02:31:51,400
quit man Johnny quid went to the edge

3093
02:31:58,440 --> 02:31:55,180
man you know he went right there and and

3094
02:32:02,490 --> 02:31:58,450
Crowley definitely did that his time in

3095
02:32:06,330 --> 02:32:02,500
Italy is some of the craziest stuff that

3096
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:06,340
I have ever read I mean he he definitely

3097
02:32:10,950 --> 02:32:08,170
pushed it you know he went right there

3098
02:32:13,620 --> 02:32:10,960
so yeah I think I could even see Toby

3099
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:13,630
Kebbell playing that that Aaron Crowley

3100
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:18,250
and in Italy that's uh and the thing is

3101
02:32:23,219 --> 02:32:20,650
like through it all and you know he's

3102
02:32:24,570 --> 02:32:23,229
obviously isn't interesting if you want

3103
02:32:27,210 --> 02:32:24,580
to call him a spiritual figure he's

3104
02:32:32,670 --> 02:32:27,220
interesting from that that viewpoint and

3105
02:32:35,430 --> 02:32:32,680
that he is in some ways you know and and

3106
02:32:36,930 --> 02:32:35,440
you can argue in some ways he's a he's

3107
02:32:38,340 --> 02:32:36,940
an early version but people now define

3108
02:32:42,690 --> 02:32:38,350
as being a cult leader I'm not saying

3109
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,700
that's what he was but there's a thing

3110
02:32:45,960 --> 02:32:44,080
that sort of distinguishes I mean he had

3111
02:32:48,390 --> 02:32:45,970
a true conviction he had a true faith in

3112
02:32:50,250 --> 02:32:48,400
his very esoteric spirituality and he

3113
02:32:52,320 --> 02:32:50,260
simultaneously had a really great sense

3114
02:32:54,540 --> 02:32:52,330
of humor about it and I think that's

3115
02:32:57,000 --> 02:32:54,550
what Toby Kebbell does so did so well

3116
02:32:59,670 --> 02:32:57,010
with RocknRolla is he is hilarious

3117
02:33:02,400 --> 02:32:59,680
and yet at the same time so sincere so

3118
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:02,410
heartbreakingly sincere you know if it

3119
02:33:07,020 --> 02:33:04,570
wouldn't it have been fun

3120
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:07,030
I mean that that role and I talked to

3121
02:33:11,130 --> 02:33:09,610
Toby about this quite a bit it had to

3122
02:33:13,950 --> 02:33:11,140
have been the funnest thing you could

3123
02:33:15,690 --> 02:33:13,960
have ever done oh my god oh yeah and I

3124
02:33:16,740 --> 02:33:15,700
guess I think that was like I don't know

3125
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:16,750
if that was the first thing you did for

3126
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:18,250
dead man's shoes but I know it was

3127
02:33:24,030 --> 02:33:20,560
shortly after he hadn't done that much

3128
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:24,040
right and what man what a role do you

3129
02:33:28,770 --> 02:33:26,170
think he's you're for one of your first

3130
02:33:30,930 --> 02:33:28,780
roles is is the Guy Ritchie redemption

3131
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:30,940
movie like you know he's had some

3132
02:33:36,780 --> 02:33:34,930
misfires and and and and but that's his

3133
02:33:39,180 --> 02:33:36,790
best guy ritchie's comeback movie that's

3134
02:33:40,290 --> 02:33:39,190
his like he came back from a string of

3135
02:33:43,080 --> 02:33:40,300
stuff that people didn't really connect

3136
02:33:44,820 --> 02:33:43,090
with and did you know that the UK

3137
02:33:46,410 --> 02:33:44,830
gangster movie again better than anyone

3138
02:33:47,250 --> 02:33:46,420
had ever done it yeah that's true

3139
02:33:53,130 --> 02:33:47,260
and

3140
02:33:55,469 --> 02:33:53,140
dead man's shoes which I had heard so

3141
02:34:00,410 --> 02:33:55,479
much about right and then it's one of

3142
02:34:03,870 --> 02:34:00,420
those things where it's it's become this

3143
02:34:05,820 --> 02:34:03,880
it's more about legend than legendary

3144
02:34:08,719 --> 02:34:05,830
right it's it's been you know it's been

3145
02:34:12,809 --> 02:34:08,729
built up you go and you watch that and

3146
02:34:16,679 --> 02:34:12,819
Toby was so scary

3147
02:34:19,679 --> 02:34:16,689
perfect in that role and so convincing

3148
02:34:22,650 --> 02:34:19,689
in that role it reminds me of what was

3149
02:34:24,690 --> 02:34:22,660
that line in Tropic Thunder right never

3150
02:34:29,610 --> 02:34:24,700
go full right you remember that

3151
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:29,620
line okay but now I please everybody

3152
02:34:34,830 --> 02:34:32,170
don't send me the emails from what I

3153
02:34:40,230 --> 02:34:34,840
just said it's just a line from the film

3154
02:34:43,559 --> 02:34:40,240
but that's what Toby did and that it was

3155
02:34:46,500 --> 02:34:43,569
so convincing and then a rock and roller

3156
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:46,510
comes out and you see how dynamic of an

3157
02:34:51,420 --> 02:34:48,370
actor and a talent that he really is

3158
02:34:53,519 --> 02:34:51,430
dead man's shoes was just an

3159
02:34:56,940 --> 02:34:53,529
extraordinary film extraordinary film

3160
02:35:00,690 --> 02:34:56,950
heartbreaking - oh man Oh tough yeah

3161
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:00,700
yeah tattva also I just realized

3162
02:35:05,010 --> 02:35:03,010
something I sometimes take issue with

3163
02:35:06,929 --> 02:35:05,020
the idea of being like that person's a

3164
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:06,939
movie star and it's like okay you sound

3165
02:35:11,460 --> 02:35:08,350
like a nineteen thirties producer right

3166
02:35:12,990 --> 02:35:11,470
now but um but and I tend to think well

3167
02:35:15,210 --> 02:35:13,000
there's a lot of things and going in

3168
02:35:16,559 --> 02:35:15,220
player there's filmmaking there's a lot

3169
02:35:18,210 --> 02:35:16,569
of unconscious things with the sound

3170
02:35:20,130 --> 02:35:18,220
design and that there is editing or

3171
02:35:21,599 --> 02:35:20,140
solar or Sol there's writing there's a

3172
02:35:24,780 --> 02:35:21,609
lot of things that go into a person's

3173
02:35:26,460 --> 02:35:24,790
performance I will say that Toby Kebbell

3174
02:35:28,349 --> 02:35:26,470
and rock and Rolla that is a movie star

3175
02:35:32,340 --> 02:35:28,359
performance that is like oh who is that

3176
02:35:34,860 --> 02:35:32,350
guy yeah is amazing yeah it's like I

3177
02:35:38,700 --> 02:35:34,870
said it's a singular movie you know it's

3178
02:35:41,960 --> 02:35:38,710
something that is rare that that comes

3179
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:41,970
along and it is it is that well done and

3180
02:35:52,260 --> 02:35:46,560
everybody in that film you know when you

3181
02:35:53,790 --> 02:35:52,270
move on from things like why you know

3182
02:35:58,380 --> 02:35:53,800
what everybody I'm trying to think

3183
02:36:00,270 --> 02:35:58,390
handsome Bob what's-his-name just away

3184
02:36:05,420 --> 02:36:00,280
from me right now

3185
02:36:10,140 --> 02:36:05,430
and I'm just tired

3186
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:10,150
uncle who's his uncle handsome Bob's

3187
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:15,310
uncle Oh Oh his god is this uncle a guy

3188
02:36:21,180 --> 02:36:19,120
that actually played the bass or Crowley

3189
02:36:26,310 --> 02:36:21,190
inspired character in Guy Ritchie's

3190
02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:26,320
Sherlock Holmes yes yes yes yeah strong

3191
02:36:34,470 --> 02:36:29,410
mark strong yeah mark strong mark strong

3192
02:36:35,940 --> 02:36:34,480
strong mark strong and that's that

3193
02:36:43,730 --> 02:36:35,950
that's the line from the movie

3194
02:36:52,260 --> 02:36:50,310
anyway the point is everybody from rock

3195
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:52,270
and Rolla if you really think about it

3196
02:36:58,250 --> 02:36:53,680
you go through the cast think about what

3197
02:37:02,520 --> 02:36:58,260
they have done since then right there

3198
02:37:04,740 --> 02:37:02,530
lunch yeah all of them Gerard Butler is

3199
02:37:07,230 --> 02:37:04,750
in RocknRolla yeah and there Gerard

3200
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:07,240
Butler handsome Bob who played a

3201
02:37:24,780 --> 02:37:13,690
handsome boy guys please Alfie and peaky

3202
02:37:31,560 --> 02:37:24,790
blinders Steve Buscemi Tom Hardy think

3203
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:31,570
about yeah yeah all all from Guy Ritchie

3204
02:37:39,060 --> 02:37:34,570
just doing what he did in rock and Rolla

3205
02:37:43,490 --> 02:37:39,070
and of course you can back up and and go

3206
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:43,500
to and that's it that's it Guy Ritchie

3207
02:37:51,150 --> 02:37:48,160
IMDB I'm just gonna do this

3208
02:37:54,930 --> 02:37:51,160
I will losing my mind

3209
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:54,940
snatch same thing everybody's in snatch

3210
02:38:00,660 --> 02:37:58,960
right I think I think snatch kicked it

3211
02:38:02,340 --> 02:38:00,670
off more than rock and Rolla but rock

3212
02:38:05,370 --> 02:38:02,350
and roller kind of continued the through

3213
02:38:08,250 --> 02:38:05,380
line of a extraordinarily talented to

3214
02:38:10,590 --> 02:38:08,260
the shack there's you know because even

3215
02:38:12,990 --> 02:38:10,600
even lock stock in a way to but but

3216
02:38:13,570 --> 02:38:13,000
snatch I think was the the big one be a

3217
02:38:14,650 --> 02:38:13,580
vessel

3218
02:38:16,120 --> 02:38:14,660
I feel like Guy Ritchie would be

3219
02:38:17,650 --> 02:38:16,130
listening to well he's not you know it's

3220
02:38:20,051 --> 02:38:17,660
probably out listen to me and Justin but

3221
02:38:23,170 --> 02:38:20,061
listen there's been like yeah yeah yeah

3222
02:38:26,410 --> 02:38:23,180
we know we know guys we need to we also

3223
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:26,420
need to remember sting is in his first

3224
02:38:29,740 --> 02:38:27,170
movie

3225
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:29,750
what sting is in Los Angelos keep a

3226
02:38:35,560 --> 02:38:32,570
stinger he plays the main characters dad

3227
02:38:36,820 --> 02:38:35,570
who owns the pub yeah that's right

3228
02:38:39,430 --> 02:38:36,830
that's right that's right that's right

3229
02:38:42,970 --> 02:38:39,440
he's correct it was and you say oh he

3230
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:42,980
was like he was bending like that wasn't

3231
02:38:48,670 --> 02:38:45,530
just like oh that's that guy became this

3232
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:48,680
thing are you he wasn't it after he was

3233
02:38:57,700 --> 02:38:54,170
sting but if you go back and and and

3234
02:39:00,940 --> 02:38:57,710
trip on this for a second Gerard Butler

3235
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:00,950
Tom Wilkinson and Tom Wilkinson up to

3236
02:39:06,970 --> 02:39:03,650
that point character stuff Tom Wilkinson

3237
02:39:09,761 --> 02:39:06,980
has gone on to hugely successful films I

3238
02:39:13,150 --> 02:39:09,771
think it all stems off of what he did in

3239
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:13,160
rock and Rolla and and and what about

3240
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:15,680
dandy Newton you know before rock and

3241
02:39:25,750 --> 02:39:18,800
Rolla what was she doing you know Mark

3242
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:25,760
Strong how about a drous Alba yes he's

3243
02:39:30,490 --> 02:39:28,010
got one of the best roles in you know

3244
02:39:33,310 --> 02:39:30,500
and and of course you know Tom Hardy and

3245
02:39:41,110 --> 02:39:33,320
you've got Toby jeremy piven

3246
02:39:44,051 --> 02:39:41,120
you know tell me I want to go to people

3247
02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:44,061
it's like tell me the movie that has OVA

3248
02:39:52,570 --> 02:39:48,800
Tom Hardy Gerard Butler Toby Kebbell Tom

3249
02:39:55,900 --> 02:39:52,580
Wilkinson and mark Strong there's more

3250
02:39:58,511 --> 02:39:55,910
there's more and his first movie

3251
02:40:00,011 --> 02:39:58,521
featured sting big what the hell are you

3252
02:40:02,200 --> 02:40:00,021
talking about

3253
02:40:11,020 --> 02:40:02,210
and it was Tom Cruise's first starring

3254
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:11,030
role chilling for the endless or

3255
02:40:14,051 --> 02:40:12,290
something but I feel like everyone needs

3256
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:14,061
to go a lot rock and roll they know I

3257
02:40:16,540 --> 02:40:16,130
know I know I'm gonna throw this out

3258
02:40:20,290 --> 02:40:16,550
there

3259
02:40:22,310 --> 02:40:20,300
and as crazy as this might sound because

3260
02:40:26,240 --> 02:40:22,320
with with snatch

3261
02:40:27,501 --> 02:40:26,250
and RocknRolla under his belt but I'm

3262
02:40:31,060 --> 02:40:27,511
gonna just say this

3263
02:40:34,041 --> 02:40:31,070
the man from uncle was a masterpiece

3264
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:34,051
people say that I haven't seen it I I

3265
02:40:40,100 --> 02:40:36,960
have seen it I masterpiece isn't the

3266
02:40:40,490 --> 02:40:40,110
word but it is very good very good very

3267
02:40:42,620 --> 02:40:40,500
good

3268
02:40:44,480 --> 02:40:42,630
there's nothing wrong with that movie

3269
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:44,490
it's just that that directors

3270
02:40:50,091 --> 02:40:47,610
masterpiece already is his bait right

3271
02:40:55,220 --> 02:40:50,101
right yeah and I'm comfortable with

3272
02:40:58,100 --> 02:40:55,230
saying that yeah in that the when when

3273
02:41:01,480 --> 02:40:58,110
it from the first of the film when it

3274
02:41:04,341 --> 02:41:01,490
first kicks off and as it starts to

3275
02:41:05,961 --> 02:41:04,351
complete itself that you start to

3276
02:41:10,341 --> 02:41:05,971
understand that this is a really great

3277
02:41:13,700 --> 02:41:10,351
film and a remake of The Man From UNCLE

3278
02:41:19,410 --> 02:41:13,710
how good can it be I looked the Sherlock

3279
02:41:24,301 --> 02:41:21,290
[Applause]

3280
02:41:27,960 --> 02:41:24,311
okay you know but my standards from guy

3281
02:41:29,640 --> 02:41:27,970
are very very very high you know when

3282
02:41:32,460 --> 02:41:29,650
you go and you make a movie like snatch

3283
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:32,470
and you make a movie like rock and Rolla

3284
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:34,960
where do you take it from there because

3285
02:41:39,720 --> 02:41:37,930
it's got to be damn good right and so

3286
02:41:41,881 --> 02:41:39,730
that's what I don't think Sherlock

3287
02:41:44,131 --> 02:41:41,891
Holmes was was up there for me it was

3288
02:41:46,500 --> 02:41:44,141
okay if he hadn't have made rock and

3289
02:41:49,530 --> 02:41:46,510
Rolla okay I might look at it a bit

3290
02:41:51,240 --> 02:41:49,540
differently but the Man From UNCLE I

3291
02:41:54,480 --> 02:41:51,250
think it's up there man I think it holds

3292
02:41:57,150 --> 02:41:54,490
water yeah you bring up a good point but

3293
02:41:59,640 --> 02:41:57,160
you also just reminded me that if at any

3294
02:42:01,110 --> 02:41:59,650
point Guy Ritchie is like I guess I

3295
02:42:03,301 --> 02:42:01,120
gotta go make another you I gotta make

3296
02:42:05,850 --> 02:42:03,311
the London gangster movie when he

3297
02:42:08,400 --> 02:42:05,860
decides to do that he will make again

3298
02:42:10,740 --> 02:42:08,410
the best London gangster movie ever made

3299
02:42:13,230 --> 02:42:10,750
don't question he'll take everything in

3300
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:13,240
walk stock snatch and rock and roll and

3301
02:42:21,210 --> 02:42:16,290
to a lesser extent what is the one oh

3302
02:42:23,430 --> 02:42:21,220
yeah well yeah and just remember Jason

3303
02:42:25,230 --> 02:42:23,440
Statham pushing past champion by the way

3304
02:42:34,680 --> 02:42:25,240
Jason Statham we could we forgot that oh

3305
02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:34,690
yeah the one where he's in jail and he

3306
02:42:38,341 --> 02:42:37,120
pushes he pushes chess pieces around we

3307
02:42:41,881 --> 02:42:38,351
can't remember what it's called for some

3308
02:42:43,801 --> 02:42:41,891
reason revolver revolver yeah

3309
02:42:46,680 --> 02:42:43,811
but anyhow when he makes his fifth

3310
02:42:48,631 --> 02:42:46,690
London gangster movie it's going to it's

3311
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:48,641
got to be like that's like the closest

3312
02:42:53,850 --> 02:42:51,370
you get to like an indie film event if

3313
02:42:56,190 --> 02:42:53,860
you want to call him in somebody said

3314
02:42:58,170 --> 02:42:56,200
hey we need someone to make like a

3315
02:43:04,080 --> 02:42:58,180
London crime movie it's called Sherlock

3316
02:43:05,820 --> 02:43:04,090
Holmes guy Ritchie it's always been Guy

3317
02:43:09,150 --> 02:43:05,830
Ritchie you know well he did pretty good

3318
02:43:10,020 --> 02:43:09,160
with King Arthur last year I thought

3319
02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:10,030
that was okay

3320
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:12,370
yeah I'm ashamed to say I didn't see it

3321
02:43:16,410 --> 02:43:15,010
because I I watched pretty obviously I

3322
02:43:19,410 --> 02:43:16,420
mean we're having this conversation I've

3323
02:43:20,610 --> 02:43:19,420
watched almost everything he's made it's

3324
02:43:22,890 --> 02:43:20,620
one of those that's one was movie that's

3325
02:43:24,270 --> 02:43:22,900
like really panned by by everyone I

3326
02:43:26,190 --> 02:43:24,280
watched it on a play and I was like

3327
02:43:27,631 --> 02:43:26,200
actually it's not my favorite thing in

3328
02:43:28,380 --> 02:43:27,641
the world I don't think it needs a bad

3329
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:28,390
news no

3330
02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:31,449
so bad at all yeah I I didn't I

3331
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:33,040
there's a weird thing to where I have a

3332
02:43:37,979 --> 02:43:35,680
hard time with was like really really

3333
02:43:40,590 --> 02:43:37,989
big budget pop like popcorn Hollywood

3334
02:43:42,660 --> 02:43:40,600
film it's like yeah there's like there's

3335
02:43:46,050 --> 02:43:42,670
like a template you use and and they all

3336
02:43:49,229 --> 02:43:46,060
use it but I don't know I couldn't tell

3337
02:43:58,469 --> 02:43:49,239
you why King Arthur is so poorly

3338
02:44:00,090 --> 02:43:58,479
received and and Captain America is like

3339
02:44:02,070 --> 02:44:00,100
I just wouldn't know I don't know I

3340
02:44:04,139 --> 02:44:02,080
guess they seemed of equivalent

3341
02:44:06,300 --> 02:44:04,149
entertainment value yeah they're like

3342
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:06,310
entertaining movies and they all the

3343
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:08,770
template and and they they do it well

3344
02:44:15,300 --> 02:44:12,640
and yeah I couldn't really say why why

3345
02:44:18,510 --> 02:44:15,310
one gets sort of yeah well speaking of

3346
02:44:22,410 --> 02:44:18,520
you know like I Richie and and Tarantino

3347
02:44:24,780 --> 02:44:22,420
and and you know so many that we respect

3348
02:44:26,790 --> 02:44:24,790
who do you guys look up to these days

3349
02:44:29,250 --> 02:44:26,800
because I I'm a big fan of Robert

3350
02:44:33,330 --> 02:44:29,260
Rodriguez too as well I think he's he's

3351
02:44:35,610 --> 02:44:33,340
got an immense amount of talent del Toro

3352
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:35,620
too as well who do you guys look up to

3353
02:44:40,500 --> 02:44:38,170
these days I mean you you mentioned a

3354
02:44:44,519 --> 02:44:40,510
lot of them but but but there's there's

3355
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:44,529
also there's also people like Steven

3356
02:44:48,179 --> 02:44:46,090
Soderbergh and the de classe brothers

3357
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,189
who are just getting their hands dirty

3358
02:44:52,920 --> 02:44:51,040
and making a movie and and by the way

3359
02:44:55,500 --> 02:44:52,930
that's not to say that Quentin Tarantino

3360
02:44:59,160 --> 02:44:55,510
especially rubber injury gasm and del

3361
02:45:02,010 --> 02:44:59,170
Toro don't but but you know the

3362
02:45:04,769 --> 02:45:02,020
Soderbergh is just aggressively making

3363
02:45:07,439 --> 02:45:04,779
film as is the do as are the boss

3364
02:45:10,410 --> 02:45:07,449
brothers and we get a lot of inspiration

3365
02:45:15,599 --> 02:45:10,420
from just just just motivation to go to

3366
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:15,609
go out and create from them and and then

3367
02:45:23,010 --> 02:45:21,040
also you know totally they are it's a

3368
02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:23,020
lot of our friends to be honest you hang

3369
02:45:26,880 --> 02:45:24,850
out with them and it's people who make

3370
02:45:30,360 --> 02:45:26,890
our make becoming that we just produced

3371
02:45:32,340 --> 02:45:30,370
a film by this guy named Jeremy Gardner

3372
02:45:34,979 --> 02:45:32,350
who made this beautiful film called the

3373
02:45:36,960 --> 02:45:34,989
battery and he co-directed this new film

3374
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:36,970
with Christian Stella called something

3375
02:45:42,060 --> 02:45:40,479
else and and and they inspire us and and

3376
02:45:47,640 --> 02:45:42,070
I mean that truly I don't just

3377
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:47,650
that because there are buddies and and

3378
02:45:55,171 --> 02:45:50,530
actually the thing denis villeneuve is a

3379
02:45:57,541 --> 02:45:55,181
person who can actually inspire fear and

3380
02:45:59,881 --> 02:45:57,551
I think that that's rare and difficult

3381
02:46:02,430 --> 02:45:59,891
and the key inspires fear in his sci-fi

3382
02:46:04,650 --> 02:46:02,440
which is our favorite kind of thing to

3383
02:46:06,480 --> 02:46:04,660
do and people haven't really been doing

3384
02:46:09,421 --> 02:46:06,490
that much but you know annihilation by

3385
02:46:12,390 --> 02:46:09,431
Alex garland the violation was great

3386
02:46:17,030 --> 02:46:12,400
yeah spectacular spectacular truly

3387
02:46:20,041 --> 02:46:17,040
terrifying and but but I think that that

3388
02:46:22,320 --> 02:46:20,051
we've been slowly realizing wait we were

3389
02:46:25,410 --> 02:46:22,330
way too slow to realize this that that's

3390
02:46:26,520 --> 02:46:25,420
in me in that the quote-unquote you know

3391
02:46:29,761 --> 02:46:26,530
whatever you want to call it the horror

3392
02:46:32,220 --> 02:46:29,771
genre a lot of people's movies are just

3393
02:46:35,131 --> 02:46:32,230
they're fun they're men they're meant to

3394
02:46:37,020 --> 02:46:35,141
be fun and and they are classified as

3395
02:46:38,850 --> 02:46:37,030
horror and they are technically

3396
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:38,860
following the the tropes of horror but

3397
02:46:45,360 --> 02:46:41,650
but what they are is to entertain you

3398
02:46:48,211 --> 02:46:45,370
and and I do think that that art films

3399
02:46:50,341 --> 02:46:48,221
are designed to be interesting but we

3400
02:46:52,410 --> 02:46:50,351
really really want to scare you

3401
02:46:55,440 --> 02:46:52,420
which we want to truly scare you before

3402
02:46:57,240 --> 02:46:55,450
we want to entertain you and and I think

3403
02:47:00,570 --> 02:46:57,250
that denis villeneuve is a really good

3404
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:00,580
example of that as day makes me you know

3405
02:47:03,870 --> 02:47:01,210
scary

3406
02:47:05,850 --> 02:47:03,880
yes sicarios are like a drug graphic

3407
02:47:09,810 --> 02:47:05,860
like movies but it's terrifying you know

3408
02:47:12,060 --> 02:47:09,820
and and actually if you have you seen

3409
02:47:14,970 --> 02:47:12,070
the I haven't seen enough of pulse

3410
02:47:17,220 --> 02:47:14,980
Raiders directorial work to make an

3411
02:47:19,230 --> 02:47:17,230
opinion but if you saw it first reforms

3412
02:47:20,850 --> 02:47:19,240
this year that that's been a big deal

3413
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:20,860
for us

3414
02:47:25,950 --> 02:47:23,530
terrifying movie and I think that's it

3415
02:47:29,730 --> 02:47:25,960
is anyone who's making a movie that that

3416
02:47:31,921 --> 02:47:29,740
is open it's funny we vacillate between

3417
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:31,931
these filmmakers who make ultra

3418
02:47:35,041 --> 02:47:33,490
humanitarian movies like Richard

3419
02:47:37,410 --> 02:47:35,051
Linklater and Lord of the Rings are

3420
02:47:39,511 --> 02:47:37,420
almost famous and and that's where we

3421
02:47:42,291 --> 02:47:39,521
get our human side and then where we get

3422
02:47:45,301 --> 02:47:42,301
our terror side are these super cold

3423
02:47:49,041 --> 02:47:45,311
deeply disturbing movies like first

3424
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:49,051
reformed shall I kill this eliminate and

3425
02:47:53,881 --> 02:47:52,000
David David Lynch he's a he's a humanist

3426
02:47:56,559 --> 02:47:53,891
as well but but you know that that's

3427
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:56,569
scariest of all David Lynch that so

3428
02:48:05,979 --> 02:48:01,279
well there's for me and I'm probably

3429
02:48:09,610 --> 02:48:05,989
speaking for anybody but when you have

3430
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:09,620
the ability certainly Lynch did it as

3431
02:48:17,229 --> 02:48:12,890
you know as one of the best but when you

3432
02:48:19,330 --> 02:48:17,239
can take the craziest scariest dream

3433
02:48:21,700 --> 02:48:19,340
that you've ever had that you can't

3434
02:48:24,519 --> 02:48:21,710
remember and you wake up and you go man

3435
02:48:26,860 --> 02:48:24,529
that would have been a great movie but

3436
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:26,870
you don't remember it but Lynch has the

3437
02:48:35,320 --> 02:48:31,370
ability to incorporate that where where

3438
02:48:37,870 --> 02:48:35,330
you go into the dark places that you'd

3439
02:48:40,269 --> 02:48:37,880
you know in your sleep and he captures

3440
02:48:41,800 --> 02:48:40,279
that on film and that's why I think it's

3441
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:41,810
so effective with everybody and

3442
02:48:47,830 --> 02:48:43,520
including with myself it's just like man

3443
02:48:50,440 --> 02:48:47,840
he's going into his own that that scares

3444
02:48:54,940 --> 02:48:50,450
me because I only do that in my sleep

3445
02:48:57,550 --> 02:48:54,950
Lynch is able to do that I swear I don't

3446
02:48:59,290 --> 02:48:57,560
know how he pulls it off but it does it

3447
02:49:00,760 --> 02:48:59,300
I think he does it with his

3448
02:49:03,130 --> 02:49:00,770
Transcendental Meditation

3449
02:49:06,340 --> 02:49:03,140
I think he's able to cognizant Lee dream

3450
02:49:10,059 --> 02:49:06,350
in a way and something I'm very jealous

3451
02:49:11,679 --> 02:49:10,069
of and yeah but we're producing a short

3452
02:49:13,870 --> 02:49:11,689
film this weekend of a friend of ours

3453
02:49:16,360 --> 02:49:13,880
named Pete salawa who is actually in

3454
02:49:20,290 --> 02:49:16,370
resolution and the endless as a

3455
02:49:22,510 --> 02:49:20,300
performer and it's based off of a dream

3456
02:49:23,620 --> 02:49:22,520
he had and he just taught over drinks

3457
02:49:26,559 --> 02:49:23,630
one night he's just like yeah I had this

3458
02:49:28,300 --> 02:49:26,569
dream and it was terrifying and now it's

3459
02:49:30,130 --> 02:49:28,310
a movie or it's about to become a movie

3460
02:49:36,219 --> 02:49:30,140
this weekend well what did you think

3461
02:49:39,910 --> 02:49:36,229
about the I don't want to say this

3462
02:49:45,519 --> 02:49:39,920
though Lynch today with the freedom of

3463
02:49:50,740 --> 02:49:45,529
being on with Twin Peaks writing and and

3464
02:49:52,990 --> 02:49:50,750
shooting for cable as opposed to network

3465
02:49:56,850 --> 02:49:53,000
television before we had the constraints

3466
02:49:59,910 --> 02:49:56,860
of the FCC and everything else that the

3467
02:50:02,820 --> 02:49:59,920
he really captured the the the

3468
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:02,830
terrifying parts of dreams in the latest

3469
02:50:07,381 --> 02:50:05,290
version of Twin Peaks where I think he I

3470
02:50:10,791 --> 02:50:07,391
think he effectively really went there

3471
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:10,801
in a troubling way yeah

3472
02:50:17,190 --> 02:50:15,040
troubling you mean you mean it

3473
02:50:19,051 --> 02:50:17,200
emotionally troubling emotionally cry

3474
02:50:20,100 --> 02:50:19,061
mean psychotic man it's like

3475
02:50:23,490 --> 02:50:20,110
schizophrenic

3476
02:50:26,011 --> 02:50:23,500
I mean he there were episodes that

3477
02:50:28,740 --> 02:50:26,021
really tried my patience right and it

3478
02:50:32,610 --> 02:50:28,750
was difficult for me because as an as a

3479
02:50:36,711 --> 02:50:32,620
as someone who likes to consider

3480
02:50:41,131 --> 02:50:36,721
themselves an artist with a lowercase a

3481
02:50:44,011 --> 02:50:41,141
by definition of my career you know I I

3482
02:50:47,671 --> 02:50:44,021
want to encourage that kind of thing to

3483
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:47,681
continually happen but the fact is he he

3484
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:49,570
tested everybody's patience he probably

3485
02:50:55,381 --> 02:50:53,530
tested his own patience and and so is

3486
02:50:58,530 --> 02:50:55,391
that weird thing where I was like I'm

3487
02:51:03,270 --> 02:50:58,540
glad that Showtime is giving this artist

3488
02:51:05,430 --> 02:51:03,280
with a capital a the screen time and the

3489
02:51:07,831 --> 02:51:05,440
ability to make something that is never

3490
02:51:10,440 --> 02:51:07,841
ever going to be replicated never could

3491
02:51:12,390 --> 02:51:10,450
be and the the eighth episode of that

3492
02:51:16,140 --> 02:51:12,400
show where they explain the origins of

3493
02:51:18,860 --> 02:51:16,150
Bob well it's one of the most important

3494
02:51:21,421 --> 02:51:18,870
episodes of television ever I think

3495
02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:21,431
that's it I don't know when I'll rewatch

3496
02:51:25,831 --> 02:51:24,370
it but I do think that that it was

3497
02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:25,841
extraordinarily important that it

3498
02:51:31,711 --> 02:51:29,410
happened and and I think that that we're

3499
02:51:34,650 --> 02:51:31,721
very lucky that we live in an era where

3500
02:51:36,831 --> 02:51:34,660
people like Showtime or or whatever is

3501
02:51:39,780 --> 02:51:36,841
whatever allows that mechanic to happen

3502
02:51:45,421 --> 02:51:39,790
to happen I think that that's incredible

3503
02:51:50,220 --> 02:51:45,431
I went you know I watched all of the

3504
02:51:52,501 --> 02:51:50,230
Twin Peaks version 2 and I think I did

3505
02:51:55,890 --> 02:51:52,511
the same thing that you did in that I'm

3506
02:51:57,751 --> 02:51:55,900
done I don't want to go back I've got it

3507
02:51:59,910 --> 02:51:57,761
all recorded right it's all just sitting

3508
02:52:01,950 --> 02:51:59,920
there and I can just go and do it and I

3509
02:52:03,841 --> 02:52:01,960
think it's too much it's too much of an

3510
02:52:06,450 --> 02:52:03,851
emotional investment to go through a

3511
02:52:09,880 --> 02:52:06,460
second time I wanted to ask you the same

3512
02:52:12,130 --> 02:52:09,890
things about Kubrick too as well is

3513
02:52:14,500 --> 02:52:12,140
we're talking about modern directors

3514
02:52:19,300 --> 02:52:14,510
today that are still with us but his

3515
02:52:21,070 --> 02:52:19,310
ability to do all of that as well to get

3516
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:21,080
inside of our heads I think was always

3517
02:52:28,450 --> 02:52:25,330
very effective yeah for sure I mean

3518
02:52:33,580 --> 02:52:28,460
there's there's actually there is a very

3519
02:52:38,700 --> 02:52:33,590
very very short list of directors you

3520
02:52:43,240 --> 02:52:38,710
have truly created something that is

3521
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:43,250
even too you know a modern you've seen

3522
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:45,680
everything that you can watch the

3523
02:52:52,809 --> 02:52:48,319
content that they created and you are

3524
02:52:54,400 --> 02:52:52,819
truly to your core terrified by it and

3525
02:52:57,040 --> 02:52:54,410
there's an there's a line that kind of

3526
02:52:59,260 --> 02:52:57,050
needs to get drawn in terms of like like

3527
02:53:01,330 --> 02:52:59,270
look when I was a little kid and I saw a

3528
02:53:03,570 --> 02:53:01,340
movie bedhead I saw my first haunted

3529
02:53:06,250 --> 02:53:03,580
house movie in a nerd jump scares and

3530
02:53:08,620 --> 02:53:06,260
and I saw a movie that had violence in

3531
02:53:10,389 --> 02:53:08,630
it it frightens me now as an adult that

3532
02:53:11,979 --> 02:53:10,399
jump scares oh my god take why I can

3533
02:53:13,150 --> 02:53:11,989
appreciate the craftsmanship of it and

3534
02:53:14,170 --> 02:53:13,160
then it's not an easy thing to do there

3535
02:53:18,340 --> 02:53:14,180
are directors who do it extraordinarily

3536
02:53:20,320 --> 02:53:18,350
well or I can see a piece of violence

3537
02:53:22,150 --> 02:53:20,330
and a film and be like okay that made me

3538
02:53:24,090 --> 02:53:22,160
not want to look at it and it gave me a

3539
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:24,100
visceral reaction that that's hard to do

3540
02:53:30,550 --> 02:53:26,330
but there's another that there's an

3541
02:53:32,500 --> 02:53:30,560
upper echelon of being scared that is it

3542
02:53:35,469 --> 02:53:32,510
maybe more maybe a better word for it's

3543
02:53:38,019 --> 02:53:35,479
like Oh unnerved dread uneasy that's

3544
02:53:39,729 --> 02:53:38,029
much harder to accomplish and there's

3545
02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:39,739
only a handful of directors who have

3546
02:53:43,360 --> 02:53:41,450
ever been able to truly do that and it's

3547
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:43,370
you're right it's Kubrick it's David

3548
02:53:50,410 --> 02:53:44,810
Lynch

3549
02:53:52,840 --> 02:53:50,420
it's TradeKing Friedkin yeah Frank but

3550
02:53:54,099 --> 02:53:52,850
there's not that many and you know

3551
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:54,109
there's a lot of stuff that people

3552
02:53:57,190 --> 02:53:55,520
remember is like I'll never that movie

3553
02:53:59,650 --> 02:53:57,200
so scary and Yuri watch it and there's

3554
02:54:01,059 --> 02:53:59,660
like a really simply a t-score and the

3555
02:54:02,530 --> 02:54:01,069
blood doesn't quite look right and it's

3556
02:54:03,780 --> 02:54:02,540
like good news/bad there's like oh

3557
02:54:06,160 --> 02:54:03,790
you're not Oh

3558
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:06,170
terrified it's scared as a kid because

3559
02:54:15,610 --> 02:54:10,010
everything scares children what was that

3560
02:54:17,790 --> 02:54:15,620
Stephen King the graveyard with the

3561
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:17,800
animals what was that called

3562
02:54:22,821 --> 02:54:20,090
yeah Pet Sematary that's what it's

3563
02:54:25,430 --> 02:54:22,831
called the graveyard with the animals

3564
02:54:27,351 --> 02:54:25,440
so I went back like 10 years ago

3565
02:54:34,331 --> 02:54:27,361
maybe 15 years ago and watch that again

3566
02:54:37,341 --> 02:54:34,341
I swear comedy it's a comedy that I

3567
02:54:39,501 --> 02:54:37,351
remember being so scared from that and

3568
02:54:42,411 --> 02:54:39,511
my friends talking about how scary that

3569
02:54:46,401 --> 02:54:42,421
movie was and I watched it again and it

3570
02:54:49,461 --> 02:54:46,411
was it was like well crafted a sketch

3571
02:54:52,551 --> 02:54:49,471
comedy what are the scariest things I

3572
02:54:54,561 --> 02:54:52,561
saw as a child was Zelda not the video

3573
02:54:56,091 --> 02:54:54,571
game I love their game that was a Zelda

3574
02:54:57,890 --> 02:54:56,101
that the sister with which she like

3575
02:55:00,441 --> 02:54:57,900
spinal meningitis the sister and Pet

3576
02:55:02,091 --> 02:55:00,451
Sematary the original yes yes the

3577
02:55:05,801 --> 02:55:02,101
scariest images I had seen when I was a

3578
02:55:08,571 --> 02:55:05,811
child was her suffering on that bed is

3579
02:55:09,441 --> 02:55:08,581
so unnerving don't tell me it doesn't

3580
02:55:17,481 --> 02:55:09,451
work anymore

3581
02:55:19,881 --> 02:55:17,491
even if you do I'm gonna I wanna thank

3582
02:55:23,421 --> 02:55:19,891
you too for this conversation tonight

3583
02:55:25,761 --> 02:55:23,431
it's just absolutely a believable and

3584
02:55:29,511 --> 02:55:25,771
and the endless is just a tremendous

3585
02:55:32,261 --> 02:55:29,521
film congratulations on that your future

3586
02:55:36,021 --> 02:55:32,271
is just so bright and hopefully I can

3587
02:55:38,271 --> 02:55:36,031
just ride along with it with you guys

3588
02:55:39,621 --> 02:55:38,281
and and enjoy all of the work that you

3589
02:55:46,011 --> 02:55:39,631
guys are gonna do in the future thank

3590
02:55:48,921 --> 02:55:46,021
you so much and get a website we've got

3591
02:55:50,901 --> 02:55:48,931
we've got a Twitter and an Instagram and

3592
02:55:52,701 --> 02:55:50,911
that works well for us if you if you if

3593
02:55:54,171 --> 02:55:52,711
anybody that's listening feels like

3594
02:55:56,781 --> 02:55:54,181
interacting with us idiots

3595
02:55:59,841 --> 02:55:56,791
it's just our names adarand more than

3596
02:56:02,571 --> 02:55:59,851
that justin h benson thank you thank you

3597
02:56:04,731 --> 02:56:02,581
thank you so much and I can't wait to

3598
02:56:07,191 --> 02:56:04,741
get you back on and I don't want to do

3599
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:07,201
any spoiler alerts but we do have some

3600
02:56:10,761 --> 02:56:09,690
stuff planned in the future with the

3601
02:56:12,231 --> 02:56:10,771
both of you and I'll make those

3602
02:56:15,021 --> 02:56:12,241
announcements over the next couple of

3603
02:56:18,231 --> 02:56:15,031
weeks okay thank you guys so much thank

3604
02:56:19,581 --> 02:56:18,241
you absolutely fantastic conversation

3605
02:56:23,711 --> 02:56:19,591
now also

3606
02:56:26,301 --> 02:56:23,721
Erin and Justin have created a website

3607
02:56:29,331 --> 02:56:26,311
that I do want you to go check out it is

3608
02:56:32,001 --> 02:56:29,341
called our multiverse Savior org the

3609
02:56:33,420 --> 02:56:32,011
links to that are over at Jimmy Church

3610
02:56:36,149 --> 02:56:33,430
radio.com

3611
02:56:38,099 --> 02:56:36,159
and I did blow through our network break

3612
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:38,109
at the bottom of the hour so I've got to

3613
02:56:43,290 --> 02:56:40,479
pay the bills and get this commercial in

3614
02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:43,300
before I say good night so I'm gonna do

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that now you can follow both Aaron and

3616
02:56:53,069 --> 02:56:49,380
Justin it's Erin Moorhead on Twitter and

3617
02:56:55,500 --> 02:56:53,079
Justin H Benson on Twitter we've got

3618
02:56:57,989 --> 02:56:55,510
everything up there right now thank you

3619
02:56:59,729 --> 02:56:57,999
guys amazing conversation

3620
02:57:01,800 --> 02:56:59,739
I'm your host Amy cherish this is fade

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to black I'll be right back to say good

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02:57:10,940 --> 02:57:02,720
night

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are asking you what you did to look so

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good your secret will be nature's youth

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RSF it's time to start looking better

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and feeling better learn more in order

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your nature's use RSF at nature's youth

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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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born this way k GRA radio.com this is k

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JC our Jimmy shirts radiojohn ha

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[Music]

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all right welcome back now I've got to

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get out of here

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it's fade to black I'm gonna be Church I

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want to thank Justin Benson and Erin

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Moorhead Craters of the film and the

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endless and you can go it is streaming

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and you can find it on Amazon it's a

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right there I think it's on Netflix too

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as well both and you can go and and

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watch it it is an amazing film and

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before I get out of here I want to

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remind everybody to go and sign up for

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Soul tech uh patty Sethi ranch soul tech

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gathering dot-com we've got just a few

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tickets left and then that's it we will

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be shutting it down soul tech gathering

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dot-com we will have james gilliland

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Cantu and Christine Cantigny

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teaching all weekend long we've got a

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bunch of really cool events set up and

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you just go to Seoul Tech a gathering

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dot-com and I just can't wait that as

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August 9th through the 12th up at E

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Sethi ranch and with that I'm gonna get

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out of here

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tomorrow night is another fainter night

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open lines all night long featuring the

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return of Jon Rappoport and his no more

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fake newsroom live followed by open

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lines all night long painted blacks

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executive producers ritika Maria shows

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produced by Hill Jay Paul Renee Dennis

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and Bob announcers our Steve harder Jean

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Patou of Marty Cove our webmaster drew

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the key

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music doug aldrich intro space boys

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space boy music calm datablock is

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produced by kjsurya at 2080 my fade to

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black and the game changer network

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it cannot be rebroadcast download a copy

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to use anywhere in the known universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black or the game changer network I'm

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here with Jimmy Church follow me on

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twitter @jj Church radio until tomorrow

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night theater nights I want everybody to